Rivered flush, stack-a-donk raise or shove?

[Mike MacIntosh]

Do not remember much about villain. I have been running 15/12 at this table, so I decided to pop it pf w/ 65s in the CO.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $121.50
UTG: $61.50
Hero (CO): $142.75
BTN: $206
SB: $100

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $3

Flop: ($8) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, SB calls $6

Turn: ($20) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $14</font>, Hero makes it $42ish or shoves?

[Jamsym]

I would make it $50

I think you probably get paid an extra $36 but i think people can fold a 10 to an all in here.

[h_ven]

Ya I wouldn't push here, I like to put a raise in and make it about $50 also.

[The_Bowler]

Ditto.... $50 sounds about right...

My 2c,
The_Bowler

ps what did you do?

[EasyAs1-2-3]

~$50 sounds about right to me. On a side-note how on this hand would we figure exactly what ratio of times he calls a shove vs. calls $50 bet to get to the break-even point between the two. I don't know if I worded that right b/c it sounds confusing even as I read it. Nonetheless, if someone can handle that do so, it's something I've been meaning to find out for awhile concerning whether to push or just bet/raise for value on river bets.

[Mike MacIntosh]

If we shove villain needs to call an additional $76. If we raise to $50 he would need to call an extra $36.

Basically the river calculation would the amount he has to call multiplied by the % of the time he will call each bet.

He would have to call a $50 raise about 2 times more often than a shove for the EV of raising to = shoving.

Example...

EV of raise to $50 = $36 * .5 = $18

EV of shove = $76 * .25 = $19

I hope this clears it up for ya...

[nath]

fyi this has nothing to do with the stack-a-donk

i too like the raise to about $50

[the machine]

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fyi this has nothing to do with the stack-a-donk



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hes not implying that this is a stack a donk, hes saying stack a donk raise, ie massive overbet to get him to call with a ten or 2 pair.


id rather go for a value raise here. the only have i feel is calling a big raise is a ten and we lose too much value because he might be scared of it.