Donking

[Some9]

I noticed something in my game. I almost never donk. To clarify, CO raises to 3.5BB, I call in BB with 55 (100BB deep).
Then I either c/c when I think I have showdown value or c/r on a bluff or for value. also occasionally I c/c to float, but rarely. But I almost never lead the flop.


Is this a leak? In NLTAP they talk about almost always checking to the pfrer. I dunno.

If anybody here donks it on regular basis, what hands do you it with? bluffs and monsters?

[johnnybeef]

I do it a bunch. My theory on donking is very similar to that of a stop n go in a tourney or a sng. One of the biggest problems with 3 betting a ton pre is that you are creating big pots oop. Also, since 3 betting is now a very in thing to do, a lot of people may start looking you up light. Also one thing that should be noted is that there may occasionally be a time (specifically when they have a whiffed AK/AQ) where you will have much more fe on the flop. There is actually quite a bit of complex theory that I could write a huge post about, but I'm too lazy and I think that I gave you a few things to get started on.

[Some9]

I think donking can get quite some folds on dry-semi dry boards. But then villain would have cbet anyway so we could c/r bluff and make even more money.

I dunno. I can't see any point in donking unless you do it to entice light raises. which you then can exploit in various ways.

[Bramsterdam]

I only donk for value and protection in multiway pots on drawy boards. Donk bets are for donks obv.

[Some9]

multiway is a whole different story

lets concentrate on hu flops where the IP villain raised pre.

[how_can_losing?]

It depends on how likely villain is to bet multiple streets without a hand.

If villain is the type to fire one barrel and shut down I will lean toward c/c.

If villain is capable of putting you to the test I am more likely to c/r and try to take it down, or fold on terrible boards (J9Q twotone for example).

The above examples assume you have 55 as OP said. The examples below do not.

As for donking, I tend to donk:
1. with monsters against aggros/stations.
2. with big hands on drawy boards where villain is likely to draw (although I suppose depending on the opponent, and the strength of your hand, you may want to c/r him off the draw).
3. as bluffs against weak-tights.

I am more likely to bluff-donk when I have no pair and the board is likely to scare villain who has overcards (578 rainbow).

I haven't thought about this too carefully so I would appreciate any additions/criticisms.

[XHitman014]

occasionally I do it...mostly for balance. Mid pair hands that I don't like to play OOP for example. A set against a non-aggressive player, or a regular who I just want to mess with and take unconventional lines. I'm interested in when other people do it. I'm a lot more likely to do it on the turn though for whatever reason.

[ryang]

i like to donk with pp's on paired boards.

[spivey]

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I think donking can get quite some folds on dry-semi dry boards. But then villain would have cbet anyway so we could c/r bluff and make even more money.

I dunno. I can't see any point in donking unless you do it to entice light raises. which you then can exploit in various ways.

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You risk a lot more money to get 1 c-bet when you c/r bluff instead of just donking.

[Some9]

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i like to donk with pp's on paired boards.

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imo this is horrible.

what do you do against a raise? what do you do against a call on a 2 turn? on a K turn? on an A?