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11-08-2007, 11:51 PM
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should i pop him here?
Live 500+50 buyin. 200 entrants. 5K starting chips. First round. Blinds 25-50. I limp in early position w/ 5,7s(should i have folded?). two more limpers, small blind completes, and big blind checks. Flop comes 5,5,3 rainbow. Small blind check, big blind check, I check, first limper checks and last limper bets 300. Blinds fold. I call and limper calls. Turn is a 9. I check, limper checks and last limper bets 1K. What range do you put him on here and what's ur move?
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#2
11-09-2007, 12:16 AM
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Re: should i pop him here?
Fur, i don't mean to sound unnecessarily insulting, but almost everything is wrong in this hand.
Pre flop is a fold unless you are sitting at the most loose/passive table ever, which i guess is in theory possible in live. As a rule though, try to stay away from open limping, especially in EP. On the flop there's no reason anyone should bet, so you should lead out and try to start creating a pot. On the turn you need to check raise, probably all in unless that's really likely to scare him off in which case you need to something silly like check raise to 2500 and jam the river.
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#3
11-09-2007, 12:53 AM
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Re: should i pop him here?
No offense taken bro. I'm here to learn...Agree w/ folding postflop. I have an issue of sometimes getting "frisky" preflop in live tourneys. For the flop, you think someone's more likely to call a bet with a pocket pair than to bet out himself? As far as the turn, I was actually worried the guy had something like a,5 or k,5 or maybe 33 given his very aggressive betting on that nondescript board so I just smooth called. thanks for the input and feedback on my reasoning above would be appreciated.
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#4
11-09-2007, 03:04 AM
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Re: should i pop him here?
I disagree on turn check/raise. I agree with bond on other points but your opponent is likely bluffing or has a better hand so I'd just check/call turn and check/call river.
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#5
11-09-2007, 04:28 AM
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Re: should i pop him here?
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I disagree on turn check/raise. I agree with bond on other points but your opponent is likely bluffing or has a better hand so I'd just check/call turn and check/call river. [/ QUOTE ] At this point I agree with this because he'll tell himself you can't possibly check a 5 three times and think you have some sort of weak pair and try to push you off - this happens more often than him having a weak pair and calling your value bets IMO because obviously it's going in when you're beat. Preflop and flop ugh... When I do hit flops like this I lead just because no one will actually think you have a 5, I really have no idea now and I assume you're beat which is why you're posting the hand...
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#6
11-09-2007, 05:45 AM
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Re: should i pop him here?
Hmm, so you slow-played it so he would bet out at you, then when he did, suddenly convinced yourslef you were probably beat and should consider folding? Thats not real good.
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#7
11-09-2007, 12:51 PM
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Re: should i pop him here?
[ QUOTE ]
No offense taken bro. I'm here to learn...Agree w/ folding postflop. I have an issue of sometimes getting "frisky" preflop in live tourneys. For the flop, you think someone's more likely to call a bet with a pocket pair than to bet out himself? As far as the turn, I was actually worried the guy had something like a,5 or k,5 or maybe 33 given his very aggressive betting on that nondescript board so I just smooth called. thanks for the input and feedback on my reasoning above would be appreciated. [/ QUOTE ] furfur-- Love your attitude. Keep it up and you'll get good fast. I think Bond nailed this one. --Nate
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#8
11-09-2007, 04:51 PM
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Re: should i pop him here?
[ QUOTE ]
Fur, i don't mean to sound unnecessarily insulting, but almost everything is wrong in this hand. Pre flop is a fold unless you are sitting at the most loose/passive table ever, which i guess is in theory possible in live. As a rule though, try to stay away from open limping, especially in EP. On the flop there's no reason anyone should bet, so you should lead out and try to start creating a pot. On the turn you need to check raise, probably all in unless that's really likely to scare him off in which case you need to something silly like check raise to 2500 and jam the river. [/ QUOTE ] Excellent, easy to understand analysis. Bond is my hero.
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#9
11-09-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: should i pop him here?
he had pocket fours...it went check-check on river....I had another thought...if he's bad enough to be betting with pockett pair on the turn, he's probably bad enough to call my check-raise huh? other side note, could I have done something like a 500 value on river? thanks everyone for the replies
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