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05-26-2006, 03:42 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
What's the buy-in? The lower it is, the more Zeebo's theorem takes into effect that a 4 will always call and a 3 will call like 50% of the time.
At the higher buyin levels ($55+) against good players, I'm torn on this play because most good players will fold a 4 here and you will only win against 3 hands if you get called (55-88), and you get smashed by the others (65s/A2s/TT/JJ) I guess, typing this out.. the play is not horrible. 
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#2
05-26-2006, 03:48 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
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If you have quads sure shove, but villian could easily have a 2 here. [/ QUOTE ] What could possibly make you think a villain would have a 2 here? [ QUOTE ] At the higher buyin levels ($55+) against good players, I'm torn on this play because most good players will fold a 4 here and you will only win against 3 hands if you get called (55-88) [/ QUOTE ] Why would a good player fold a 4, but call with 55? What's the difference?
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#3
05-26-2006, 03:51 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
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[ QUOTE ] If you have quads sure shove, but villian could easily have a 2 here. [/ QUOTE ] What could possibly make you think a villain would have a 2 here? [ QUOTE ] At the higher buyin levels ($55+) against good players, I'm torn on this play because most good players will fold a 4 here and you will only win against 3 hands if you get called (55-88) [/ QUOTE ] Why would a good player fold a 4, but call with 55? What's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] Just for the off chance that bad players shove a 4 in this instance? Also, why is it unlikely that CO doesn't have a deuce here? Don't you limp with A2s in position with limper(s)?
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#4
05-26-2006, 03:55 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
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Just for the off chance that bad players shove a 4 in this instance? [/ QUOTE ] So why wouldn't you call with the 4 also? I just don't see much of a difference between calling with 4X and calling with 55. I guess the odds of a split pot are somewhat increased with the 4, but how often are two limpers going to have a 4 in their hand? [ QUOTE ] Also, why is it unlikely that CO doesn't have a deuce here? Don't you limp with A2s in position with limper(s)? [/ QUOTE ] There was only one limper. And I don't, no, but I guess a lot of typical players would. I just don't see it as likely at all, but I guess it wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world.
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#5
05-26-2006, 03:55 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
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At the higher buyin levels ($55+) against good players, I'm torn on this play because most good players will fold a 4 here and you will only win against 3 hands if you get called (55-88), and you get smashed by the others (65s/A2s/TT/JJ) I guess, typing this out.. the play is not horrible. [/ QUOTE ] First off no good player is limping a 4 here. Unless he has 44 in which case you would have heard from him already. As for hands that are beating you Villian is defintley not limping QQ+ he might limp TT,JJ. Those are the only reasonable hands that are beating you. So I think you are good on the river here most of the time. The question is how to extract the most value. Also I hate the turn check.
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#6
05-26-2006, 03:56 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
Alright I will be results oriented for a sec. What did villian have?
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#7
05-26-2006, 06:09 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
pre-flop fine, flop fine, the turn check is no good. a very likely hand for villain is a flush draw, and he's drawing thin (maybe dead) so get him to call a small bet on the turn.
on the river, villain does not have A high. it's unlikely he's calling with A high on a 1/2 pot bet with two players still in the hand. however, there's a decent chance that he has a flush. villain is not going to call a push with a flush. he will probably call a pot-ish sized bet. so a pot-ish bet will get called a very high percentage of the time, and a push will get called every once in a while by 4x or 55-88. so i'd bet around 3/4 pot.
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#8
05-26-2006, 06:36 PM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
I would value bet. I think he's too scared of a 2 to call, unless he has a 2.
(I don't like Zeebo's theorum by the way.)
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#9
05-27-2006, 04:08 AM
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Re: Zeebo Theorem Hand
Good2CU, and also sikes, I don't think he has a 2 because he would raise the flop with the only 2 he limps limp, A2, because he fears the flush draw. AlReturnsLOL, first, hit me up on aim, cause I'm pokering out with my internship and i need someone to talk to to maintain my game. Also, his realy hand was A3, for yor wondering of results in this 55. I'll be back at the 109s soon, when I have time to devote to poker instead of my internship.
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