JT for messy two pair bet into...

[RustedCorpse]

The 15 hands I had on villian showed 36.8 VP/20 PR

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $25
SB: $24.65
BB: $40.50
UTG: $17.55

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="red">SB raises to $0.75</font>, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($11.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $7.75</font>

My flop raise is with the intent of checking through the turn. But then I improve in a weird way. Looking at it I figure on the turn I have 6-7 outs, if I'm not already good, but I can't figure out if that's limit thinking coming through.
Really curious as to someone's line here. Is it an easy insta muck?

[willyc]

This is an easy fold for me on the turn. You are only beating a flush draw that hasn't already made a straight, and I don't think he has that very often.

An ace on the river means you chop, and he's likely holding one already. Neither a T or a J is a clean out since he could have KJ/QJ/KT/QT. Sure he's pretty loose, but he called your flop raise and led 3/4 pot on the turn, which really looks like he is strong here.

I would count this as more like 4 outs to factor in the times you make your hand and lose or chop, so there's no way I'm calling.

[Woody317]

If you wanna play it preflop youhave to open raise to take those blinds. From there i would fold flop. There's too much chance that your outs aren't clean anyway. Definitely fold turn. You're behind and not getting odds to hit your boat so don't bother with it. Folding preflop gets you out of these situations though.

[subs]

why would you ever limp on the button?

fold the turn

[finalboarder]

I think that if you were going to raise on the flop it should have been a larger raise. With such a small raise he could be calling with a range that is much wider only hands that beat you. On the turn it seems like a fold may be best because you are likely behind, but I am still not sure. What do others think? I don't think he has an A unless he already had the straight on the flop. He could have called the reraise with a K being as loose as he is. I think it's one of those situations where you either know you're the best poker player in the world after it's over or you feel like an idiot...

[vixticator]

Raising the flop is ultraspew. Gutshot and pair versus this player is most likely the best hand, no value in raising though. Turn is an instamuck, two pair def no good on this board.

[ama0330]

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why would you ever limp on the button?

fold the turn

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he didnt limp, he cold called.

fold preflop, and i dont know what you are doing on the flop but your raise makes no sense. I would just call here and try and get to showdown, or just fold. raising is really bad.

[traz]

he limped, but yes the flop raise is not so hot