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Old 11-18-2007, 02:22 PM
Ansky Ansky is offline
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Default 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

Game is 3 handed on stars. There seem to have been a lot of good high stakes threads lately, so lets keep it up. p3achy is a super tough stars reg, most of you obviously know him. We have played a ton together, so I don't know how well i can describe our dynamic in a post... I have on many occasions tried weird bluffs vs him and he snaps me off regularly. We talk on aim about poker a bit and he probably respects my game and thinks I balance well in spots like these, though I can't really be sure.

I open A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] otb to 600, p3achy calls in the sb, bb folds. (20k stacks)

Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (1400 in the pot)
We both check.

Turn (1400): J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
He bets 1400.

I was a little nervous at the fact that he potted, but I bump it to 4800, he calls after thinking for ~15 secs.

River T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (11,000)
He checks. I...

I think case can obviously made for either raising or calling on turn, and on river the ppl I talked to all thought it was close between valuebet and ck behind.

So... 1) Turn thoughts?
2) River thoughts?
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

I like the turn raise and I bet 2/3rds of the pot on the river for value, with intent of calling a raise by p3achy.
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

Pretty interesting spot.. problem is that you have > 1pair here like never, and he knows it... but I mean he's got to be thinking that you're aware of this as well.. I think I bet 3/4 pot and fold to a shove.. but I mean this is pretty dynamic-dependent.. cool hand though
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

hm, a lot of high stakes players have varied ranges cold calling here preflop 3 handed. I would think that AJ is the bottom of your range that you would raise for value here against a tough reg at 100/200. Id assume ud just flat call sometimes, and that youd raise with draws here sometimes. I dont know, your line seems pretty fishy...but since the 10 rolled off, his combos of Jx worse than you that he would call preflop are lessened, so you are basically hoping he is holding QJ or KJ, or some bluff catcher like 88 and is going to snap you off again.

I dont know the player passed like 100 hands maybe of 25/50 full ring, but if he really really likes to snap off your weird bluffs, i would bet like 7-8k here. Do you think he'll call with QJ here? do you think he'd lead/call with 88 on the turn?
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

given the history i think betting on the smaller side and calling all in is okay
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

I don't really think this is that interesting.

Raise turn > 80% of the time.... and you should be stabbed if you don't value bet this river. Not sure what to do vs. a shove, gotta soulread

and even if I didn't know what to do vs. a shove I still think its a bet, there's no way this isn't a bet
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

Cool hand.

I like bet 7k and fold if he minraise shoves.

Just seems like such a great spot for him to try to pick off a bluff since your value betting range is basically just AJ, so if you're bluffing here with any regularity he should be calling really light.

I don't really get calling a shove on the river. In order for this to be a good call he has to both be willing to set up [censored] stacks with hearts or 89 on the turn and be willing to minraise bluff the river. So I don't really think a bluff makes sense on the river, but a c/r with a set or JT def makes sense since he should expect your range to have a lot of air in it as I said before.

Also, happy birthday.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

bet call river 100%. peachy = monkey!
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

[ QUOTE ]
I don't really think this is that interesting.

Raise turn > 80% of the time.... and you should be stabbed if you don't value bet this river. Not sure what to do vs. a shove, gotta soulread

and even if I didn't know what to do vs. a shove I still think its a bet, there's no way this isn't a bet

[/ QUOTE ]

it's closer than you think... u think he is potting and calling a raise on the turn, then paying off a riv bet w/ 88, 99 here? Not saying i dont think so, just curious if u think that would be standard here. Or do you think most of his range is QJs KJs type hands? Or do you want to bet to induce a c/r bluff?
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: 100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

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bet call river 100%. peachy = monkey!

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