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Old 11-14-2007, 02:58 PM
MJBuddy MJBuddy is offline
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Default Re: 88 in SB.... squueze?

Yes you will. You need to make 3150 in implied odds after hitting a set to make the call +EV. You can make more than that more frequently here.
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:46 PM
TheFoxNL TheFoxNL is offline
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Default Re: 88 in SB.... squueze?

maybe but you can make more by raising here picking up the dead money shoving here forces both villains to decide if they wanna risk their stack against a solid player that only showed down aces and kings

FLAT calling here is way too passive
if youre image is super loose aggressive i would still raise
but then youre argument for flatting is more to use
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considering youre image and bigger stack this such an easy Raise/shove
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:03 PM
MJBuddy MJBuddy is offline
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Default Re: 88 in SB.... squueze?

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maybe but you can make more by raising here picking up the dead money shoving here forces both villains to decide if they wanna risk their stack against a solid player that only showed down aces and kings

FLAT calling here is way too passive
if youre image is super loose aggressive i would still raise
but then youre argument for flatting is more to use
But
considering youre image and bigger stack this such an easy Raise/shove

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If you raise here without jamming, you're a moron. I've said it twice, and evidence as to why it's a donk move has been repeated to no avail throughout this thread. You gain absolutely nothing and lose FE. Calling is +EV. That's a fact. It's higher EV IF AND ONLY IF you think the players are too stubborn/tight and will call along with a jam. If less of a +EV situation IF AND ONLY IF you have a strong chance to fold out the initial raiser.

Typically if I want to play in a hand with a pot >20% of my effective stack, I jam as a default.
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: 88 in SB.... squueze?

It's not like 88 ONLY has set value, either. There are rag flops you can CRAI (or call all-in, whatever) if villain's C-betting almost all of his range.
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