$11 - TPGK w/great draw

Brad22 · #1 07-11-2006, 02:05 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t2150)
UTG+2 (t2060)
MP1 (t2660)
MP2 (t1740)
MP3 (t1880)
CO (t1900)
Button (t1770)
Hero (t1960)
BB (t1880)
UTG (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t40, MP1 calls t40, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t160) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets t110, Hero calls t110, BB folds, UTG+2 calls t110.

Turn: (t490) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets t300, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls t300.

I'm fine with the turn fold, but don't like my flop line at all - Is there a standard move here?

I think I should c/r the flop, which will give me better FE against the villain, and may buy a free river card - thoughts?

MaltbyStu · #2 07-11-2006, 02:20 PM

This is a tough flop. Problem is at the 11s people play any Ace and any two suited. You could beat so many times here.

I like the flop call. C/R will certainly thin the field but you will probably get one along for the ride.

Stu

ShipItHereHo · #3 07-11-2006, 02:26 PM

flop call is bad OOP. this is a good flop for you. raise the flop to 325 and lead turn for 700 or so and call a push. why are you playing this hand so passively?

MaltbyStu · #4 07-11-2006, 02:39 PM

Because I know the 11s play any two suited. I have been stung too many times that I will play passively in this situation.

I prefer to be aggressive when I am pretty sure I have the best hand. I'm not sure in this situation.

Stu

ShipItHereHo · #5 07-11-2006, 02:40 PM

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Because I know the 11s play any two suited. I have been stung too many times that I will play passively in this situation.

I prefer to be aggressive when I am pretty sure I have the best hand. I'm not sure in this situation.

Stu

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you are playing too scared my friend. this was a great flop for you.

AnthonyV · #6 07-11-2006, 02:47 PM

i think i lead this kind of flop nearly 100% of the time.

Brad22 · #7 07-11-2006, 02:49 PM

I wouldn't lead the turn like that ShipItHereHo, it's way too early, I really wanna win this on the flop or buy free cards, since I'm shutting it down on a non-club turn - too early to test someone out of position.

ShipItHereHo · #8 07-11-2006, 02:56 PM

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I wouldn't lead the turn like that ShipItHereHo, it's way too early, I really wanna win this on the flop or buy free cards, since I'm shutting it down on a non-club turn - too early to test someone out of position.

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you are acting like you only have the club draw. you are forgetting that you likely have the best hand here with the jack.

Brad22 · #9 07-11-2006, 05:20 PM

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you are acting like you only have the club draw. you are forgetting that you likely have the best hand here with the jack.

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In my experience with suited flops, top pair with the non-nut kicker is not a strong hand in an sng - not strong enough to be betting alot of money wiht unless the flush hits, and certainly not out of position.

Is this weak-tight? Yeah, but I'm not going overboard on an un-raised pot w/o the flush. Play it strong on the flop for sure, but after that, I'd need to improve to put a substantial amt. into the pot.

ShipItHereHo · #10 07-11-2006, 05:24 PM

exactly. it was unraised and nobody seems to figure to have much of it. i think playin this board weak is a leak. you said you needed to improve to put a big bet in then you are down to only 1 card(ace of clubs) cause if any other club comes you still could be behind. i just think you are seeing monsters under the bed by playin this one passively.