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Old 11-10-2007, 09:00 AM
DanJ. DanJ. is offline
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Default 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

I havnt played with villain before, but a buddy of mine has logged a few thousand hands with him, he has told me about how he plays kinda spewy/laggy/maniacal, and he was unsure of whether or not he wins longterm.

is this just an easy shove?

Party Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $2,038
SB: $1,980
BB: $1,890
UTG: $8,111.76
MP: $1,970.50
Dan (CO): $2,175

Pre-Flop: K Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Dan (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Dan raises to $70</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $240</font>, 2 folds, Dan calls $170

Flop: ($510) 2 4 8 (2 Players)
Dan checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($510) K (2 Players)
<font color="red">Dan bets $350</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $940</font>, <font color="red">Dan
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:03 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

Fold preflop. As played I shove the turn, you're rarely in horrible shape and villain can easily be value-raising a worse hand.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:06 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

i wouldn't bet the turn, rather c/c and c/c the river. as played as much as his bet screams strength to me, i dont think we can fold.

edit: hmm, not so sure about c.c, c/c anymore. hmm might like the bet now
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:10 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

i rr all in.. IMO you're way ahead of his range.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:23 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

i think the preflop call isnt very good.

i like chk/call turn, betting takes away his chance to bluff the king as a potential scare card.

as played i probably shove, but dont like it all that much.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:27 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

check turn pleeaseeee
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

obviously betting does take away his chance to bluff at the king, but that's assuming he's not betting his air on the flop. I thought I remember ghost_crab having a pretty high 3beg pot cbet frequency so it's very possible that he bets all his air hands (the ones that we want to check to) on the flop, which leaves us with an interesting hand range for him for the turn.

I really wanna say that pps without a club are hands that I think he might play this way, but him raising the turn is not consistent with this except aces. So it's likely clear my ranges are off and checking and calling this turn may again be better,
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

ya, i think c/c is better for the turn.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:32 AM
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Default Re: 10/20nl against ghost_crab, KQo in 3b pot oop he raises me

If we c/c turn can't we bet any river for value? Or do we expect him not to have even a bluff-catcher enough of the time here, and that he'll bluff?
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