50/100, huge draw and I need way more chips.

[ActionJeff]

I fold unless you think you have FE on a 3-bet.... call seems v bad without some sick read on his line

[JakeMunson]

possible holding against you:

set of 3/5 making you roughly 20% to win
A3o,A5o,A10o making you roughly 22% to win
AK/AQ making you roughtly 22% to win
Ax of spade making you roughly 8% to win
A10s making you huge underdog @ 6% to win
semi-bluff with air...with newhizzles imagine, and being he's a regular on 2+2, i'd be inclined to say he's a frequent bluffer, making you at least 50% to win maybe even favorite

What's the likelihood he'd play here holding this way:
with a set, there's a strong possibility he'd play it this way:

with 2p,i think he'd definitely pump more to protect

with just an "A", good kicker, i think it's pretty doubtful. i don't think he'd overplay like this with your preflop raise...what's he put you on?

with all of it (meaning A10 of spade), there's no way he'd make this play. if anything, he'd want to make a smaller raise to get more in the pot...even if you puts you on a gut shot (which i would seriously doubt), i'd make the min raise and risk the 3 outer

strictly mathematically, with these ranges, you're about a 2:1 dawg.

assuming you don't get paid off (so there's not implied odds) and he isn't holding the nut flush draw
with the money in the pot (2350+1750+4100) = 8200 and you having to call off 2350 more, you're getting over 3:1. just on math, it's correct to call

i agree you can't move in...you didn't plan correctly and now have no FE.

as for how i would have played it...i would have c/c the flop...you have flush + overs = plenty of opportunity to improve and your out of position against an agressive opponent. you can still call a pot sized bet cheaply, and represent any over on the turn if he bets the flop. best against an LAG player.

on the turn, i'd either bet out to represent the "A" and more importantly to minipulate the size of the pot for my draw or c/r representing at least 2p or a set.

with the way this played out for you and although it seems like you maybe drawing thin, my gut says call and push once the spade hits. even if you don't hit, at least he'll now you'll call OOP sometimes when the pressure is on - this may prevent him from continually abusing you later.

[Moonshine]

next time cr/ai on the turn

as played he made a really dumb raise that's giving you like 4:1 on a call so i'd prob take it

[the_straightner]

What JakeMunson says.

[iRock]

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Sure. Which nutflush draw raises this turn? None. ATcc has no incentive to do it at all.

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Hm ya probably not likely unless hes really tricky. Certainly not standard line. I think i call since its basically a minraise then check fold or shove depending on if I hit. I don't like turn bet. My read on him is A5 and he gave you sick odds after rereading the hand. What happened?

[HUD-BOT]

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Doesn't he have a 22 here almost always?

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[Subfallen]

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pocket 2's.

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[Kirkrrr]

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pocket 2's.

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Heheh If you guys are going to sweat the games, at least do not out results until the end, eh?
I think if the turn was some sort of a blank I might just check it and check-call or C/R, but the Ace gave me even more outs than before and I figured it's a pretty sweet scare card to bet, so I did. Once he raised I really couldn't put him on a hand that folds to a 3-bet AI at that point so I just called, turn bricked, 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is good [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Kirk

PS. Oh, playing at Commerce tonight I spoke to one of his friends, or friends of a friend, and turns out it was someone else playing on Newhizzle's account. I am not sure why, and it changes nothing, but I thought that was interesting enough to mention.

[TheWorstPlayer]

did u at least berate him?

[Kirkrrr]

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did u at least berate him?

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LOL Y'know, to be honest, yeah [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]... I very very rarely say anything in chat since if someone makes a totally [censored] move I try to encourage it rather than discourage that sort of behaviour, but in this case I just couldn't help myself...


FullTiltPoker Game #xxx: Table xxx (6 max) - $50/$100 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: Kirkrrr ($4,850)
Seat 2: mjorgenson13 ($15,148.50)
Seat 3: BigFish12888 ($4,950), is sitting out
Seat 4: newhizzle ($30,887)
Seat 5: Vera15 ($9,700)
Seat 6: Frooodo ($4,000)
Kirkrrr posts the small blind of $50
mjorgenson13 posts the big blind of $100
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kirkrrr [5d 9c]
Kirkrrr: are you &%&!ing kidding me???
newhizzle folds
Kirkrrr: wtf are you DOING?


Hey, I'm only human. Oh, and he did not respond, from extreme embarrassment I'm sure.

Kirk