30-60 Bellagio hand

[rsk111]

I don't really have any read on this guy, as this happened quite early in the session. Comments on play on all streets appreciated since I think I made multiple errors on this hand.

UTG raises, I'm UTG+1 with AsQc and I reraise. It's folded around to UTG who makes it four bets. I call

Flop Jc10c2c

He bets I, call

Turn 9s

He bets, I raise, he hesitates briefly and then calls

River 4c

He checks, I check.

[sup_bro]

why on god's green earth would u CK this RIVER? this is an insta bet.....because he actually has Ac or Kc in his hand, he is making a larger mistake by not betting it than you are by simply CK'ing behind....

[rsk111]

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why on god's green earth would u CK this RIVER? this is an insta bet.....because he actually has Ac or Kc in his hand, he is making a larger mistake by not betting it than you are by simply CK'ing behind....

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Given his four bet pre-flop and turn call I put him on a hand that had Ac or Kc. Then when he doesn bet the river, I'm worried that he's never going to call with a worse hand (i.e., I'll only get check-raised or he'll fold).

That's what was going through my idiot brain at the time. In retrospect I would have bet the river. Part of the reason why I posted this is that I wanted to know how bad that river check was, slightly bad or very bad. Thanks for confirming my suspicion that it was the latter.

Edited to add: If I bet the river and he raises, then do you fold or call?

[Milo]

Bet the river.

[rsk111]

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You have to make him fold less than 20% of the time to make this worthwhile, and you never win this pot without betting it.

Absent some read that says he is not folding (which you do not have), not betting the river is a sin.

Edited to add: If he raises you can muck with confidence.

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I'm not sure you read the hand correctly. You do realize I made a queen high flush on the river.

[AragornX151]

Bet/call. I'd usually fold AQo to an UTG raise preflop.

[MitchL]

Turn raise is bad.

[rsk111]

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Turn raise is bad.

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Why? I've got an OESD + Flush draw. Seems like a good spot for a semibluff. I certainly could be wrong though. Can you explain your reasoning?

[afish]

If check-raised on the river you've got to call unless you're against the nittiest of nits. Otherwise, players will start making moves on you.

Also, if you don't have a read on a player, making it three bets preflop is probably wrong. I'd have folded AQ there.

[drbk2]

Preflop: Eh, I don't know. The way the game used to play I agree with the 3 bet preflop, but the way it plays now I would muck it until I get further information.

Turn: I think you need to think of hands that a player you don't have a read on and who doesn't have a read on you would fold to a turn raise after 4 betting preflop and leading every street. I would say close to 0.

River: Bet.