$16 turbo is this totally standard, or totally terrible?

[BigCummins]

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your friend is a total idiot.

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Shoving over 1 limper with a hand like this is ok sometimes, but shoving over 2 who are a) not just going to let you bully them by shoving everytime and b) one is short enough that you have squat for FE.

[Kevin8423]

You are correct that they do fold often, but they also limp/call with trash that they shouldn't (trash that is beating 59s) too often for this to be a good shove. The short stack also makes it worse, the less chips they have behind the better odds they are getting and the less likely they are to fold.

[kyro]

wutank,

I bet CO calls you here 75ish%.

[Kevin8423]

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wutank,

I bet CO calls you here 75ish%.

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Thats a bit high and you would be surprised how often people limp/fold at 16s even that short, but it still isn't infrequent enough to jusitfy shoving here.

[WuTank]

please re-read my post.
(and critize on the maths)

[CmnDwnWrkn]

I think the mistake here is in assuming that UTG and BB are folding 100% of the time and are putting in automatic dead money. You can't assume this when they already have chips in the pot. You should adjust the probability of their folding to something more realistic and reconsider.

[Kevin8423]

IMO your reads are off and you think that the short stack and all other players will fold more often than they really will. Against randoms in $16s this is pretty much always bad, even against the weakest players this won't be good.

[RRizGod]

please post your PS screen name so we can sharkscope you.

[WuTank]

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IMO your reads are off and you think that the short stack and all other players will fold more often than they really will. Against randoms in $16s this is pretty much always bad, even against the weakest players this won't be good.

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sry I dont get what you are saying.You quoted the guy who said that CO is calling here 75% and say that its even less, so lets assume like 28% FE against CO only.And I assume FE of 10% only against CO and you say that is unrealsitic?Sry that sounds really confusing to me.
My Sn is Wutank.

[Kevin8423]

Without checking your math or anything I noticed that this might only be breakeven play? There is no reason whatsoever to make a play like this unless it is waaaay +EV, you can find much better spots if you are just breaking even doing this. People limp Ax and middle pocket pairs here all the time and you are behind all of those.