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#111
10-24-2007, 07:11 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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For the money the US is putting into health most countries could have a stellar system. However you slice it, the US doesn't seem to. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, our people like to sue our doctors for no good reason and juries like to unfairly give them huge rewards for it. This doesn't really count as a problem with the health care system. In addition, we have to pay for all the R&D for the rest of the world since your artifically lowered prices don't allow for any. 
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#112
10-24-2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. [/ QUOTE ] So you're in favor of slavery? Also, has it *always* been a basic human right? Or is this a recent development? [/ QUOTE ] If you equate making sure that health care is available to slavery, then yes. If you're not retarded, then no.
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#113
10-24-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. We currently have a system where millions of people do not get care. Private health care will never address this problem because it's not in their interest to. [/ QUOTE ] This sort of thinking is anathema to the principles that America was founded on. And that's not an anarchist rant. Read some of Isaiah Berlin's work, particularly "Two Concepts of Liberty," which introduced (I believe) the ideas of positive and negative liberty. I do think that the gov't should do something to help the poor get health-care, but casting it as a basic human right, in addition to being ludicrous, is scary and dangerous. [/ QUOTE ] Nobody should ever be bankrupt because of medical bills. Is that a scary or dangerous thought? [/ QUOTE ] No, that's reasonable, though I (think I) disagree with it. It's a very different formulation though.
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#114
10-24-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. [/ QUOTE ] So you're in favor of slavery? Also, has it *always* been a basic human right? Or is this a recent development? [/ QUOTE ] If you equate making sure that health care is available to slavery, then yes. If you're not retarded, then no. [/ QUOTE ] How do we know which people are obligated to become doctors? Oh btw your solution is stop paying doctors for their services, since you're already entitled to them.
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#115
10-24-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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Nobody should ever be bankrupt because of medical bills. Is that a scary or dangerous thought? [/ QUOTE ] No, that's reasonable, though I (think I) disagree with it. It's a very different formulation though. [/ QUOTE ] Why is it that you disagree with it?
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#116
10-24-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. [/ QUOTE ] So you're in favor of slavery? Also, has it *always* been a basic human right? Or is this a recent development? [/ QUOTE ] If you equate making sure that health care is available to slavery, then yes. If you're not retarded, then no. [/ QUOTE ] How do we know which people are obligated to become doctors? Oh btw your solution is stop paying doctors for their services, since you're already entitled to them. [/ QUOTE ] /ignore.
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#117
10-24-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. We currently have a system where millions of people do not get care. Private health care will never address this problem because it's not in their interest to. [/ QUOTE ] This sort of thinking is anathema to the principles that America was founded on. And that's not an anarchist rant. Read some of Isaiah Berlin's work, particularly "Two Concepts of Liberty," which introduced (I believe) the ideas of positive and negative liberty. I do think that the gov't should do something to help the poor get health-care, but casting it as a basic human right, in addition to being ludicrous, is scary and dangerous. [/ QUOTE ] Forget what I said about not engaging; I have to address this. This is another line of argument that the wingnuts use to skirt the real issue. I call it the "But That's Not America" argument. And it's not a real argument. It's not consistent with the values of the Founders. Ok, for the sake of argument I'm going to let that go. Well, to answer, so frackin' what? It doesn't make any difference whether or not an idea is American or contrary to the values America was founded on. This is another trick the right uses. Just call something unAmerican. Then people won't think about the merits of what someone is saying. They'll just think about whether or not it's American, assuming American is good and unAmerican is bad, because that's the framework that's been given. It's just silly. Thankfully, as I already said, most Americans are smarter than to fall for that crap. This is not dangerous. What's dangerous is reckless disregard for other human beings.
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#118
10-24-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. [/ QUOTE ] So you're in favor of slavery? Also, has it *always* been a basic human right? Or is this a recent development? [/ QUOTE ] If you equate making sure that health care is available to slavery, then yes. If you're not retarded, then no. [/ QUOTE ] Forcing doctors to work for the government is definitely slavery.
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#119
10-24-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. [/ QUOTE ] So you're in favor of slavery? Also, has it *always* been a basic human right? Or is this a recent development? [/ QUOTE ] If you equate making sure that health care is available to slavery, then yes. If you're not retarded, then no. [/ QUOTE ] How do we know which people are obligated to become doctors? Oh btw your solution is stop paying doctors for their services, since you're already entitled to them. [/ QUOTE ] /ignore. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, don't argue or consider, just ignore.
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#120
10-24-2007, 07:27 PM
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Re: Universal Healthcare? Can it work? I\'m doubtful...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Health care is a basic human right. As such, everyone is entitled to care. [/ QUOTE ] So you're in favor of slavery? Also, has it *always* been a basic human right? Or is this a recent development? [/ QUOTE ] If you equate making sure that health care is available to slavery, then yes. If you're not retarded, then no. [/ QUOTE ] Forcing doctors to work for the government is definitely slavery. [/ QUOTE ] Claiming you have a right to the labor of someone else is defintely advocating slavery.
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