Why would online poker sites not rig their games?

[R*R]

Because eventually they would:

[R*R]

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you may or maynot trust sites, do what you wish , if you lose stop playing !

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And if you win make sure you make a post about the fairness and integrity of online poker. But hey, what are the chances
of that? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[jukofyork]

Why would EBay not rig their auctions?

[jukofyork]

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"How often, asleep at night, am I convinced of just such familiar events — that I am here in my dressing gown, sitting by the fire —when in fact I am lying undressed in bed! Yet at the moment my eyes are certainly wide awake when I look at this piece of paper; I shake my head and it is not asleep; as I stretch out and feel my hand I do so deliberately, and I know what I am doing. All this would not happen with such distinctness to someone asleep. Indeed! As if I did not remember other occasions when I have been tricked by exactly similar thoughts while asleep! As I think about this more carefully, I see plainly that there are never any sure signs by means of which being awake can be distinguished from being asleep. The result is that I begin to feel dazed, and this very feeling only reinforces the notion that I may be asleep." (Descartes' Meditations)

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Why not discus this instead? What do you hope to add to "online-poker-site-rigging-theory"? Talk about flogging a dead horse...

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Rek]

Anything is possible. If you go to a card room the dealer may be crooked and dealing better hands to his mate. The casino may force dealers to cheat.

Collusion can go on of course but it can go on live.

For new, small and relatively unknown sites I must admit I am a little wary in parting with my cash.

However, the large well known sites have huge volumes being played, they are audited and they make huge sums from rake. Would they jepordise all that has been built to cheat players? I can't see it.

It is very simple. If you feel so strogly sites are rigged don't play. But let the rest of us get on with a superb pastime whether you are a winner or loser.

My guess is that you continue to play online, you suck at poker and lose and you are looking to blame something other than your ability.

[Henry17]

There is no way to rig a poker site and not get caught. Anyone with a first year stats course can look at hand histories and tell you if something is abnormal.

Further it is simply not worth it to a large site to be rigged. Just take the time to do the math on how much rake income they take in yearly. Now consider if it is rational to risk that for the slightly additional income of rigging the site.

Third why is it that only losing players complain that the site is rigged?

[Josem]

obviously, it is possible for online poker to be rigged.

in the case of online poker, i will doubt that it is rigged until people provide evidence to the contrary (such as in the absolute poker case)


similarly, it is possible that flying reindeer exist. in the case of flying reindeer, i will doubt that they exist until people provide evidence to the contrary.


one of the key issues* that discourages potential online poker players is the possibility that the game is unfair. thus, reputable sites such as pokerstars, partypoker, and others, seem to go to a reasonable effort to overcome this.


*i've posted the source of this stuff previously - search my past posts if you care

[momo_the_kid]

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There is no way to rig a poker site and not get caught. Anyone with a first year stats course can look at hand histories and tell you if something is abnormal.

Further it is simply not worth it to a large site to be rigged. Just take the time to do the math on how much rake income they take in yearly. Now consider if it is rational to risk that for the slightly additional income of rigging the site.

Third why is it that only losing players complain that the site is rigged?

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lilholdem is one of the biggest winners online. He said Stars is rigged.

[Henry17]

He is a winner online or a winner on Stars?

Bad players who can adapt to different styles of play on different sites rather then accept their flaw will prefer to blame an outside force for their lack of ability.

[Josem]

clearly, the "truth" of whether or not sites are rigged has no relationship to the person claiming - whether or not they are rigged is independent of the people claiming that it is rigged.

something does not become true (or false) because of the number or identities of people who believe it. something is true (or false) because it is true (or false).


there is a very high correlation between people claiming that poker is rigged and losing players because believing that poker is rigged is typically a symptom of poor thinking*.

a) the vast majority of claimants are unable to genuinely come up with reasons for their loss other than blaming the sites

b) the vast majority of clamants are unable to provide any evidence that poker is rigged



*i don't know whether poor thinking causes people to believe online poker is rigged inherently. however, the two situations (being "a [censored] moron" and believing "online poker is generally rigged" seems to have a lot of correlation)