Big Pot Heads Up - Dealer Mucks Opponents Cards - Horrible Ruling.

[sekrah]

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Anyone else think the dealer is doubly retarded for dealing the river card even after the floor was there and the hand was clearly dead.


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Too bad a heart didn't peel off. You would of seen the pepper spray and 4-man floor tackle make a cameo.

[lowpockets]

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Also, it is clear that the action on this hand was TWO WAY to the flop. That means that the dealer mucked these cards after the turn, two streets later when betting had clearly been taking place between me and the villian I was with.

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It is not clear at all that this is when the player lost his cards. They were unprotected so they might have been mucked preflop. Just because he noticed on the turn that he had no cards does not mean he lost his cards on the turn. He might have left them out and had another hand thrown into them at some point leaving the dealer completly blameless.

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Na, I know he didn't lose them until then. I remember he set them to his right before he played with all of his chips. I am about 95% sure he had them after the turn card was dealt. This also wasn't the dealers first or second mistake of the round (it was his last hand of the round).

[psandman]

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However, that doesn't take away from the fact that if it wouldn't have been for the over-eager dealer I would be $400 richer.

Do you guys think the floor should have at least covered the time for my table the next round? I didn't really give a [censored] about a free meal or a free time for me, but this held up the table for so long and reflected really poorly on the dealer and the card room. Regardless of whether a player is solely responsible for protecting their own cards - the house probably should have given a comp to someone here.

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Actually You know say you would have made $400. But in your original post you say that you put this player on a set and you were prepared to to let it go. I know you hadn't made up your mind yet, but since you were at least consdiring the fold, maybe you should considre that this error may have actually made you money.

[steamraise]

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I remember he set them to his right before he played with all of his chips.

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From the one seat he sets his cards to his right?

That's where the muck is.

Dealer probabally thought a couple of cards
had slid out of the muck, and slid them back.

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I figure set and depending on what he does I might get away from my hand.

costing me an extra $400 based on a dealer error?

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You go from "thinking of folding"
to "dealer error cost me $400" ?

It was player error for not protecting his cards.
Maybe even mucking them himself.

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I remember he set them to his right
before he played with all of his chips.

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I think the bet should stand.
If you folded he would have taken the pot with no hand.

PROTECT YOUR HAND.

[DDH]

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I remember he set them to his right before he played with all of his chips.

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From the one seat he sets his cards to his right?

That's where the muck is.

Dealer probabally thought a couple of cards
had slid out of the muck, and slid them back.

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If I'm remembering my seating coreectly, that's setting them right next to the dealer. I've seen the 1/10 seat do this when they are mucking their cards. They just move them to side next to the dealer to indicate they fold. If he did this, and moved the cards next to the dealer, the fault lays entirely on the player, IMO. The dealer could easily have precieved him as mucking his hand.

[psandman]

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I remember he set them to his right before he played with all of his chips.

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From the one seat he sets his cards to his right?

That's where the muck is.

Dealer probabally thought a couple of cards
had slid out of the muck, and slid them back.

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Don't be silly they tell me this was 90% the dealers fault, the player probably had them protected under a small brick and the dealer snuck them out from under it.

[youtalkfunny]

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Don't be silly they tell me this was 90% the dealers fault, the player probably had them protected under a small brick and the dealer snuck them out from under it.

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Very nice.

Note to the OP: No, the house doesn't owe you anything. First of all, we've determined that you can't blame the dealer for mucking a hand that the One-Seat slid to his right, unprotected.

Second, even if the dealer was 100% at fault, the house owes you nothing, because those sort of mistakes even out in the long run. Some day, you'll benefit from a dealer mistake, by exactly $400 (theoretically).

[octop]

They atleast shouldnt have charged time for the next round
They wasted a lot of it for the players.

[lowpockets]

Youtalkfunny - you are probably right. I know that theoretically it works this way.

However, for those of you discussing strategy - remember that the flop came 8 high and with my pre-flop reraise I am sure that I could have talked myself into the fact that he had an overpair. I didn't think set until he did the minraise thingy on the turn when the hand went dead. Also, I would have only had to put like 300 more into a pot that was well over a grand at that point. I think I would have easily decided that I was ahead 30% of the time here based on the pre-flop action and this players tight image.

Octop - that was kind of my point to the floor. Not that they owed ME anything, but that the table should get some free time because it took a while to resolve the issue (10 minutes). If you guys have played live before you should know the floor gives time for lesser things.