I would NOT do God's will if he were immoral

[Sephus]

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quote: Similarly, I would not kill my child as a testament of my faith.


If this is some kind of glancing stab at the crucifixion of Jesus I'd just like to note that most religious people don't see it like that.

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[Siegmund]

I thought OP meant that if he were Abraham he would refuse to sacrifice Isaac on God's instructions (Isaac didn't wind up killed, as it turned out, but it was one of the classic "test of faith" episodes in the old testament.)

[MaxWeiss]

Actually, as Sephus noted, it was a reference to Abraham and Isaac, not Jesus. Jesus was just a big scapegoat. Do you really think it's moral to allow for somebody else to forgive your actions, whatever you may have done??? And further, to forgive them solely by having himself tortured and killed??? How is that right by any definition?? Also, couldn't god find a better way to forgive rather than have his son tortured and killed???

I don't see it as the fireman example you set above. I see it as the father sending in the son whenever anybody else starts a fire and also when there are other ways to stop the fire which save everybody inside but also put no fireman at risk. There's no NEED to send in the son in the first place, and it's wrong to ask him to do so in the first case, and much more wrong to do so when you (as god) could come up with another way which harms no one.

[Splendour]

Well this is what Jesus has to say about his relationship with his Father:

John 10:30 (The Message)

25-30Jesus answered, "I told you, but you don't believe. Everything I have done has been authorized by my Father, actions that speak louder than words. You don't believe because you're not my sheep. My sheep recognize my voice. I know them, and they follow me. I give them real and eternal life. They are protected from the Destroyer for good. No one can steal them from out of my hand. The Father who put them under my care is so much greater than the Destroyer and Thief. No one could ever get them away from him. I and the Father are one heart and mind.

[MaxWeiss]

Ok, so he accepts his role as scapegoat, but still, is it moral to have him do so, even if he and his dad want him to??

[Splendour]

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Ok, so he accepts his role as scapegoat, but still, is it moral to have him do so, even if he and his dad want him to??

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No offense intended Max but what little moral sense I have has been put in me by God. I'm not even going to try to second guess him.

[rebuyboy]

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First, let's say god tells me that the new Jesus will be born if I rape some woman who would not otherwise have sex with me. I would absolutely not do that, under any circumstances.


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what if she was really really hot

[MaxWeiss]

5 points for hilarity, but still, no.

[bunny]

This is my position also and (needless to say) I think it's the moral one.