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05-11-2006, 02:07 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
1700 in the pot and 425 to call, leaving the caller with 16 BBs. Folding is wrong (without BB in the pot it would be a fold with just the tightie in the pot), and it is too early to shove, IMO.
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#12
05-11-2006, 02:07 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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If SB is rational he's not putting >1/3 of his chips in with anything but QQ+ (and maybe KK+), so I would fold this. [/ QUOTE ] If our opponents were rational none of us would be here. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Really I think this is rarely a trap, he's just raising you cause he has something that looks good and doesn't know enough to push.
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#13
05-11-2006, 02:09 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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1700 in the pot and 425 to call, leaving the caller with 16 BBs. Folding is wrong (without BB in the pot it would be a fold with just the tightie in the pot), and it is too early to shove, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] 1.) It is never too early to shove if your edge is large enough 2.) AK wants to see all 5 cards 3.) You have no headroom for postflop play
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#14
05-11-2006, 02:10 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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[ QUOTE ] If SB is rational he's not putting >1/3 of his chips in with anything but QQ+ (and maybe KK+), so I would fold this. [/ QUOTE ] Given these preflop odds, there's no way a fold can be right. Indy [/ QUOTE ] If you can put SB on KK+ then it's right.
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#15
05-11-2006, 02:10 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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If our opponents were rational none of us would be here. [/ QUOTE ] Boy is that ever the truth. I keep having to remind myself of that about every day. Indy
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#16
05-11-2006, 02:11 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If SB is rational he's not putting >1/3 of his chips in with anything but QQ+ (and maybe KK+), so I would fold this. [/ QUOTE ] Given these preflop odds, there's no way a fold can be right. Indy [/ QUOTE ] If you can put SB on KK+ then it's right. [/ QUOTE ] Actually never mind.
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#17
05-11-2006, 02:12 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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[ QUOTE ] 1700 in the pot and 425 to call, leaving the caller with 16 BBs. Folding is wrong (without BB in the pot it would be a fold with just the tightie in the pot), and it is too early to shove, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] 1.) It is never too early to shove if your edge is large enough 2.) AK wants to see all 5 cards 3.) You have no headroom for postflop play [/ QUOTE ] Dood, look at SB's play. He raises 40% of his stack preflop where if he wanted to maximize fold equity (with a hand like TT or JJ or AQ or even AK), he would push. I really think that if he's a good 2+2ish sort of player, he has AA/KK. The overlay from SB doesn't really matter if we can narrow down SB's range this significantly. I'm all about picking up dead chips from idiots and the T600 is indeed very compelling, but why on earth didn't SB just push?
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#19
05-11-2006, 02:16 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
Since SB is not folding PF, I think pushing is useless. This is either a fold or a call.
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#20
05-11-2006, 02:17 PM
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Re: 109s AK vs tighty and loosy
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Dood, look at SB's play. He raises 40% of his stack preflop where if he wanted to maximize fold equity (with a hand like TT or JJ or AQ or even AK), he would push. [/ QUOTE ] Most players are bad. Its wrong to assume any of them think this way. [ QUOTE ] I really think that if he's a good 2+2ish sort of player, he has AA/KK. The overlay from SB doesn't really matter if we can narrow down SB's range this significantly. I'm all about picking up dead chips from idiots and the T600 is indeed very compelling, but why on earth didn't SB just push? [/ QUOTE ] Again, because most poker players stink. Try not to assume they think logically like you and many others in this thread.
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