quick question about christianity

[astroglide]

beyond the passion, what is jesus considered to have sacrificed for mankind?

[Sephus]

he probably missed some sweet parties in heaven while he was down here.

[Splendour]

Thank you for your reminder astroglide...The Passion is the central core of Christianity and what Jesus gave was completely priceless...

[madnak]

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he probably missed some sweet parties in heaven while he was down here.

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At least he had the foot fetish covered.

[NotReady]

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beyond the passion, what is jesus considered to have sacrificed for mankind?


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He was God eternal and just to become man is beyond understanding - a very poor analogy would be a human becoming a cockroach.

Hebrews 5:8

8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

Philippians 2:

6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.


2 Corinthians 8:9

9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.

[Phil153]

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He was God eternal and just to become man is beyond understanding - a very poor analogy would be a human becoming a cockroach.

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Isn't God aware of everything already? At best it's a symbolic gesture, like drowning the whole world to kill all the women and children.

[luckyme]

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beyond the passion, what is jesus considered to have sacrificed for mankind?

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As I type this there are people dying horrible deaths. They won't spend eternity as the son of god.
Time spent on earth is a nanoblink in the eternity in heaven ( as theists constantly remind us), so in the big scheme of things jesus lost a fingernail. No sweat.
To sacrifice something you have to actually give something up. Sending the kid for half an eternity in hell would have some sacrificial meaning, micro-nanoseconds on a cross is a walk in the park.

luckyme

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Time spent on earth is effectively non-existent in the eternity in heaven

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Sending the kid for half an eternity in hell would have some sacrificial meaning

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There are two options:

1) Finite period of sacrifice (practically non-existent meaningless period).

2) Infinite period of sacrifice

(Option three: "half" of eternity is meaningful (and understandable) to God, but we can't understand it)

The extreme majority of people who are (or claim to be) religious apparently have absolutely no grasp of finite vs infinite periods of time.

If a religious person understood "eternal," how can they possibly sin during this meaningless finite period?

Edit: Jesus sacrificed like a 5 year old eating broccoli once so they could eat ice cream forever. Luckyme, I supposed Jesus could spend one day in hell followed by one day in heaven ... in which case I could understand half an eternity of sacrifice.

[Chunwah]

Short answer: his Ego before man.

What did Jesus sacrifice? As we've seen, many will debate there was much of any sacrifice since Jesus is God. Et cetera, et cetera.

Suppose God did send his son, one with himself, down to Earth for the benefit of his human creation. This man felt what regular men feel. Pain, rightious anger, frustration, even doubts..."Father, please let this cup pass from me.." He has a common theme and lives and dies by it. He does not stop his accusers. He turns the other cheek. He, son of God, allows himself to be humiliated before man. His apostle Judas turns him in: he knows it and allows it to happen. Peter denies him. Jesus knows it and allows it to happen. Thomas doubts. A sacrifice? Or a lesson for behaviour?

All just meaningless in the context of infinity, all-knowingness, all-powerfullness? Seems like it, using the our rational minds.



So what else did he sacrifice? His ego before man. In hopes we would learn from it.

That's my take. And I'm not a Christian nor religious. At least in the religions of mankind.

[MidGe]

Chunwah,

I cannot help but agree with you that the christian conception of god is that of a being with a huge ego! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]