Two AK river bluffs

Parlay Slow · #1 02-06-2007, 07:31 AM

I play like 22/18. I don't get very out of line pre flop so if they are observant they probably respect my range. I bluff a lot post flop -- they may or may not know this. Both villains in these hands are probably 2+2ers.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $624.60
UTG+1: $609
CO: $1395.90
Button: $4126.55
Hero: $1956.30
BB: $276

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $18, Button calls, Hero raises to $90, BB folds, CO calls, Button folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($204, 2 players)
Hero bets $200, CO calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($604, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($604, 2 players)
Hero bets $460.

Stack sizes:
UTG: $537
UTG+1: $569
CO: $768.45
Button: $1238.65
SB: $3305
Hero: $599.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, SB raises to $24, Hero raises to $72, SB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($144, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($144, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $90, SB calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($324, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero is all-in $437.7.

luckychewy · #2 02-06-2007, 07:34 AM

hand 1 u don't need to pot the flop imo, i would rather bet turn than river here though.

hand 2 i like though i would often just bet the flop.

Hoopster81 · #3 02-06-2007, 07:39 AM

I like 1

2 is not as believable IMO

Parlay Slow · #4 02-06-2007, 07:40 AM

I might be able to get away with #2 not being believable (if it isn't) if he doesn't have a whole lot

Hoopster81 · #5 02-06-2007, 07:47 AM

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I would guess you got folds on both

I think the value bluff of like $269 has about the same FE as your shove in #2

ArturiusX · #6 02-06-2007, 08:16 AM

I actually like 2, and don't really get a feel for 1. I guess it depends if he folds 88 type hands in hand 1, so thats your call, and I personally wouldn't if I had a good read on you.

I think two looks a lot like you trying to be tricky with a big hand, to me anyway, I'd fold a wide range here.

bennies · #7 02-06-2007, 08:24 AM

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I actually like 2, and don't really get a feel for 1. I guess it depends if he folds 88 type hands in hand 1, so thats your call, and I personally wouldn't if I had a good read on you.

I think two looks a lot like you trying to be tricky with a big hand, to me anyway, I'd fold a wide range here.

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Melchiades · #8 02-06-2007, 08:30 AM

Is potting the flop in hand one standard, or is it a once in a while thing? Do you think it has much more FE than a more moderate sized bet?

UOPokerPlayer · #9 02-06-2007, 08:31 AM

You need reads to pull off these sort of bluff imo. Saying that their 2p2ers means to me that they will call 3-bets lightly, so I like it a little more. I think its good to make these bluffs especially when your hand is totally worthless by the end; you've got to go after some pots. 2nd is way better, have no idea what he could call with there. First isn't as good, but really you kinda gotta feel these.

Parlay Slow · #10 02-06-2007, 09:09 AM

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I might be able to get away with #2 not being believable (if it isn't) if he doesn't have a whole lot

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I would guess you got folds on both

I think the value bluff of like $269 has about the same FE as your shove in #2

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shouldn't you love both of them if you think I got folds?