I have a plan

[registrar]

$50r. I normally don't post these hands since people used to make fun of me when I did. However, because of the image that I have presented to the raiser I think that calling here looks massively strong and gives me options post-flop, given stack sizes. Villain is good. He's opened EP a few times. All he has seen me do in four or so orbits is fold or open push (once to double through with AA).

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t400/t800
(Ante: t75)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t19537
UTG+1: t21970
MP1: t27949
MP2: t29850
CO: t9670
Hero: t9185
SB: t18864
BB: t13321

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to t1855</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls t1855 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3655)</font>

[zizazziza]

why are you calling off over 20% from an EP? I mean do you think that he is not c-betting/forced to call you ai enough that this play is +EV?

[registrar]

Yeah, I think that unless he's opening the top 20% of his range, I can take this away enough to turn a profit, or at least that it's possibly as good a gamble as I'm likely to get at this stage with the blinds about to go up.

If you're villain, with these stacks, and a tight unknown flats you, you'll have to be fully loaded in the hole or hit the flop pretty hard to call of the rest of my stack here?

[djk123]

meh. usually i just assume they are stupid. i understand where you're coming from ( i have tried this before) but I don't think it really works in practice.

[shaundeeb]

you need to do this vs someone who knows you well not vs an unknown.

[registrar]

Hmmn. You might be right. OTOH, as I say, villain was good, he was opening small pretty regularly in EP. The AA hand, I'd pushed 4k the previous hand and then pushed 5k, I got a call and he tanked in the BB. I felt sure he was calling otherwise and so I know he'd noted this. Were it not for that hand, I wouldn't have tried this.

Anyway, what I didn't consider was that the BB may then call very wide.

[Requin]

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you need to do this vs someone who knows you well not vs an unknown.

[/ QUOTE ]And you probably just blew your chances of ever pulling this off again [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

You need a bunch of assumptions ot be right here and you need to be almost 100% sure of them beofer you try this

[gobboboy]

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meh. usually i just assume they are stupid. i understand where you're coming from ( i have tried this before) but I don't think it really works in practice.

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[Yoshi63]

Don't mean to hijack away from the hand, but

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....or at least that it's possibly as good a gamble as I'm likely to get at this stage with the blinds about to go up.

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...I was wondering to myself about a week ago, whether it's correct to take slightly -EV gambles when you are shortstacked. Letting the blinds hit you is -EV, so I assume this is part of the arguement for getting your chips in before you get too short.

I'm not sure I'm explaining this well, and it's probably pretty basic. Say you find yourself UTG with 6 BB's, with a hand which mathmatically is slightly -EV to shove (given the different calling ranges of everyone, just assume we know it's barely -EV). Is it correct to make a -cEV shove in order to avoid the -EV effect of hitting the blinds?

[betgo]

I like the play. Good to represent aces, and this is a perfect hand for this play.