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Old 11-18-2007, 03:18 PM
Percula Percula is offline
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Default Live 5/10 deep -- Did I get the most out of it?

Live 5/10 game at the Wynn a few weeks ago.

I have a nitty tight image, but have shown down some wacky hands for big pots (both from calling and opening), i.e. LAG PF but playing well post flop. I start the hand with ~$5K, about $2K in chips and the rest in bills (important for later).

Villian has not be too active on the table, seems to have a clue and has shown a willingness to gamble and call light. He covers. He is a tourist in from Boston.

Straddled pot... Folds to me in MP with AQo and I open for $120, folds to villian in SB and he calls, BB folds and UTG (straddler) calls.

Flop: ($370) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]; SB checks, UTG checks, I lead for $250, SB calls quickly, UTG folds.

Turn: ($870) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], {A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]}; SB checks and I check.

River: ($870) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], {A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]}; SB leads for $700, I quickly grab the stack of bills from behind my chips and literally toss them out and flop back in my seat, arms crossed, looking down (note this is not the normal way you bet with bills, you either count them out and place them in or have them separated in groups of $1K, $5K or $10K and place the brick in and declare an amount if the bet is less than the brick).

Villian asks who much, I answer "I dont know" and the dealer counts it our and tells him it's $2300 more.

Villian is staring me down and finally opens his hand showing 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and I sit up to see his hand better, and deflate in my seat, elbows on the rail, head in hands... Villain calls after a couple of minutes without putting any money in the pot, I confirm the call and table my hand, villain was shocked to lose.

So all this acting was not planned and not something I do a lot, but it kind of worked this time, but I am thinking I could have extracted more from this guy, i.e. played for stacks since he made the classic I call expecting to win deal without putting his chips/bills in and the look on his face confirmed this.

So two questions...

1) Should I have lead the turn? If yes how much?

2) Should I have pushed the river? If no, how much do I raise that would get a push from the villian?
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Old 11-18-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: Live 5/10 deep -- Did I get the most out of it?

lead the turn for 600 plz
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: Live 5/10 deep -- Did I get the most out of it?

So he called $250 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on a A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] flop?
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: Live 5/10 deep -- Did I get the most out of it?

it's pretty hard to look at this without being results oriented, but what generic reads i can gather from this hand that could have been used by you are:

1) this guy calls OOP preflop with complete cheese
2) this guy calls the flop with two [censored] backdoor draws

Question 1
i wouldn't try to get cute on the turn against a guy like this. he's way more likely to call when he semi-improves then bluff on the river. i'd expect to get looked up on the turn by Qx, gutterballs, turned BD spade draws and obv Ax.

Question 2
for a live game a shove is a fairly big raise, but his hand looks like Ax+ at this point, so i guess it can't be awful
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: Live 5/10 deep -- Did I get the most out of it?

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it's pretty hard to look at this without being results oriented, but what generic reads i can gather from this hand that could have been used by you are:

1) this guy calls OOP preflop with complete cheese

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Not that uncommon in this game with these deep stacks. Half the table was sitting on between 300B and 1000BB and the half between 1000BB and 5000BB.

Pre flop play was pretty lose, but tended to tighten up considerably post flop. Most of the players read well enough to make it mostly a 2nd level game. This guy was one of my targets as he did not read as well as most.

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2) this guy calls the flop with two [censored] backdoor draws

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His play wasn't that bad considering my image with the tendency to show up with total crap from time to time and he was going for a C/R on the turn. Villain observed a hand from the night before where I called a RR PF from two predictable players from SB with 32o and stacked the EP raiser. So he knows I could show up here with total air.

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Question 1
i wouldn't try to get cute on the turn against a guy like this. he's way more likely to call when he semi-improves then bluff on the river. i'd expect to get looked up on the turn by Qx, gutterballs, turned BD spade draws and obv Ax.

Question 2
for a live game a shove is a fairly big raise, but his hand looks like Ax+ at this point, so i guess it can't be awful

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With this additional information, would you change your answers above?
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Live 5/10 deep -- Did I get the most out of it?

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lead the turn for 600 plz

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I am thinking the villain is either putting me on a bluff or a monster if I bet the turn.

What are you expecting the villain to do after I bet?
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