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[Haupt_234]

UTG+2 is 13/9/3.09/605
MP is 23/12/5.33/75

What is your flop play and why?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero ????

Haupt_234

[Oracle]

He likes his hand a lot. Donking into a PF capper = I fold unless I have a good read. We can't even be sure we have live cards here.

[XmasXmas]

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He likes his hand a lot. Donking into a PF capper = I fold unless I have a good read. We can't even be sure we have live cards here.

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this is not a donk bet. they did not have the option to raise anymore pf, so consider the flop bet more as a continuation of the pf action. this is generally a very strong move, and should be respected w/o any kind of draw beyond top pair.

[Grease]

I fold, but if there were one spade on the board, I might call, but folding is probably the best option, since he is undeterred by your PF cap.

[Six]

I probably fold, but how about a raise?

AK: 9
AQ: 12
AA: 6
KK: 6
QQ: 3
JJ: 6
1010: 6

Basically dead against 9, 6+ outs against 12, 3 outs against 18, tie with 9. If we knew we've got 6 outs it's an easy call, we could even call with 3 but wouldn't want to face a bet on the turn. A raise here (assuming MP calls) is 8:1 but probably shuts down the action from almost anything that beats us and gives a chance to check through with position.

I dunno, it's interesting.

-Tim

[Haupt_234]

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Basically dead against 9, 6+ outs against 12, 3 outs against 18, tie with 9. If we knew we've got 6 outs it's an easy call, we could even call with 3 but wouldn't want to face a bet on the turn. A raise here (assuming MP calls) is 8:1 but probably shuts down the action from almost anything that beats us and gives a chance to check through with position.

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One of the problems you have to consider when counting outs is that you have the potential to hit an ace or king and still be behind, losing more bets. Reverse implied odds factor in greatly here.

Haupt_234

[Six]

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One of the problems you have to consider when counting outs is that you have the potential to hit an ace or king and still be behind, losing more bets. Reverse implied odds factor in greatly here.

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I'm not putting much more in the pot after my raise on the flop. I'm basically folding to a threebet, and a call from UTG makes me unhappy. Action on the turn makes it a fold. Basically my raise is attempting to parlay into a chance at this big pot. I think because I'm so weak I can limit the reverse implied odds against me. It seems pretty marginal against that tight range, but add a few hands that very agressive MP might hold and take a shot at the pot with when checked to him on the flop and it looks a lot better.

-Tim

[Haupt_234]

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I'm not putting much more in the pot after my raise on the flop. I'm basically folding to a threebet, and a call from UTG makes me unhappy. Action on the turn makes it a fold. Basically my raise is attempting to parlay into a chance at this big pot. I think because I'm so weak I can limit the reverse implied odds against me. It seems pretty marginal against that tight range, but add a few hands that very agressive MP might hold and take a shot at the pot with when checked to him on the flop and it looks a lot better.

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So you're not betting/raising if you hit an ace or king on the turn? Then what is the point of continuing the hand?

Haupt_234

[Greenthumb]

i hate to fold with the size of this pot, but i hate to just call even more, so i would raise by proccess of elimination without any logical math or game theory and probably lose a lot of money being a [censored] on further streets. but thats just me.

[acesovercole]

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i hate to fold with the size of this pot, but i hate to just call even more, so i would raise by proccess of elimination without any logical math or game theory and probably lose a lot of money being a [censored] on further streets. but thats just me.

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A donkey?