3/6 deep vs maniac..

[mixmastermattyk]

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Sans-results obviously, I really think this should be a fold 100% of the time. You guys are so deep that it just doesn't make any sense to stack off with middle set in a 2bet pot preflop, especially against a maniac that from what you have described, is going to give the money back regardless. Here, you held up as what, a 65/35 favorite, whereas I would expect that you are generally going to be getting it in as a 85/15 dog most of the time in this spot. (Is that math even close to right?)

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Hey gordo,

I respect your posts a lot and they generally make a lot of sense to me when I read them, so I was curious as to the fact that you said this should be a fold 100% of the time.

In the OP, he describes the villain as a complete maniac who has repotted everything and c-bet 100% of the time. Do you really think that this kind of villain is going to be flipping up AAA everytime he repops this flop and we come over the top of that?? Surely this kind of opponent is going to be making this move with AA, 77, A9, wraps and possibly A7. Similarly, when we come back over the top of his 3-bet, how much do you think his range is going to tighten up? Most likely he drops A7, possibly A9 and *maybe* 77. If our hand looks like a set, I can't see him dropping any draw that we might be ahead of, it just seems more likely he'd rather get it in as a 35/65 or 40/60 dog and gamble. From the description I gathered, this guy wasn't a solid LAG but a complete maniac. Having said all that, I can't see how this hand possibly warrants a fold 100% of the time.

[gordo16]

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Hey gordo,

I respect your posts a lot and they generally make a lot of sense to me when I read them, so I was curious as to the fact that you said this should be a fold 100% of the time.

In the OP, he describes the villain as a complete maniac who has repotted everything and c-bet 100% of the time. Do you really think that this kind of villain is going to be flipping up AAA everytime he repops this flop and we come over the top of that?? Surely this kind of opponent is going to be making this move with AA, 77, A9, wraps and possibly A7. Similarly, when we come back over the top of his 3-bet, how much do you think his range is going to tighten up? Most likely he drops A7, possibly A9 and *maybe* 77. If our hand looks like a set, I can't see him dropping any draw that we might be ahead of, it just seems more likely he'd rather get it in as a 35/65 or 40/60 dog and gamble. From the description I gathered, this guy wasn't a solid LAG but a complete maniac. Having said all that, I can't see how this hand possibly warrants a fold 100% of the time.

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My thinking was completely based on stack sizes... His line really is pretty suggestive of AAA and IMO OP is too deep to warrant getting it in there with middle set even though it is against a maniac... The worst feeling in poker is paying off the guy at the table who is going to spread the wealth around the table regardless; I just prefer to wait for an easier spot.

[ColdDecker333]

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Hey gordo,

I respect your posts a lot and they generally make a lot of sense to me when I read them, so I was curious as to the fact that you said this should be a fold 100% of the time.

In the OP, he describes the villain as a complete maniac who has repotted everything and c-bet 100% of the time. Do you really think that this kind of villain is going to be flipping up AAA everytime he repops this flop and we come over the top of that?? Surely this kind of opponent is going to be making this move with AA, 77, A9, wraps and possibly A7. Similarly, when we come back over the top of his 3-bet, how much do you think his range is going to tighten up? Most likely he drops A7, possibly A9 and *maybe* 77. If our hand looks like a set, I can't see him dropping any draw that we might be ahead of, it just seems more likely he'd rather get it in as a 35/65 or 40/60 dog and gamble. From the description I gathered, this guy wasn't a solid LAG but a complete maniac. Having said all that, I can't see how this hand possibly warrants a fold 100% of the time.

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My thinking was completely based on stack sizes... His line really is pretty suggestive of AAA and IMO OP is too deep to warrant getting it in there with middle set even though it is against a maniac... The worst feeling in poker is paying off the guy at the table who is going to spread the wealth around the table regardless; I just prefer to wait for an easier spot.

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Your opinion is biased from usually playing better opponents than this. In PLO400 level you see so much "interesting" maniac-type of players, that you can never fold this. Against good LAG it´s completely different story.

[chinaski101]

I fold pre for sure and most of the time on the flop. I think id need some backup to ensure i wasnt drawing to 1 out. With some sort of straight draws/backdoor flush draws id go with it.

Btw Gordo- are you still playing ub? I can see your opinion from playing on there!

[gordo16]

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Btw Gordo- are you still playing ub? I can see your opinion from playing on there!

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Nah, anything but the 10/25 and higher on UB are absolute rock-garden terrible EV games IMO, and tbh I just dont trust UB/AP enough to keep a significant amount of money on their site for when the rare 50/100 HU game gets going.

[gordo16]

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Your opinion is biased from usually playing better opponents than this. In PLO400 level you see so much "interesting" maniac-type of players, that you can never fold this. Against good LAG it´s completely different story.

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It's actually 3/6, which I think makes a somewhat substantial difference..

[Hattifnatt]

havent read all the new replies but the max-buy in at Boss is 200bb so 3/6 plays pretty deep/high.

also, op said he called preflop because of position, but the relative position is very bad, someone might raise behind and if someone calls he will have to act directly after the pfr that most likely will cont bet.

as for the hand I still think just folding is the best play for sure.

[AlexKP]

"but the max-buy in at Boss is 200bb so 3/6 plays pretty deep.
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Wrong, only 100BB, its b2b they have 200bb deep buyin

[Hattifnatt]

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"but the max-buy in at Boss is 200bb so 3/6 plays pretty deep.
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Wrong, only 100BB, its b2b they have 200bb deep buyin

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ok, me wrong if so.. I know B2B have 200bb max at the non-micro stakes but I assumed boss was 200bb sinse Swedish government site (Svenska spel) have 200bb max and is a separated site runned by Boss Media.

[ezdonkey]

If you're willing to take a flop with that hand you must be willing to play 2nd nuts when you hit.