NL200, I'm kinda lost with this one....

[Sledgejammer]

He raises UTG then cold calls a re-raise and check min-raises you on the flop. I don't see any fold equity whatsoever and you could be drawing only to your diamonds, why shove when you're getting the correct odds to see a turn card?

[bilbo-san]

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He raises UTG

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He's 38/19. So this means he has 2 cards, basically. They might be suited though.


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then cold calls a re-raise

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"Sweet, that dude has advertised his big hand, and he'll never put me on 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]!

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and check min-raises you on the flop.


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Again, an AF of 8 means that this guy basically never check-CALLS.

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I don't see any fold equity whatsoever and you could be drawing only to your diamonds, why shove when you're getting the correct odds to see a turn card?

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This guy could easily have JJ, or KJ/KQ, or 99. We are very rarely drawing to ONLY 9 outs. The Ace is often good. Sometimes the Q is too. Sometimes we are a 2:1 favorite.

But we are NEVER less than ~ 3:1

[gimmetheloot]

shove it and love it baby.

[traz]

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Easy call I think...not only is your FE low, but it's very likely you're drawing to 9 outs

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So you've narrowed down his hand to AK, 66, 55, 65, and KK?

WTF?


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AA, KK, AK, QQ-55. You're probably adding 78 and diamonds in there, but I really don't think it's correct. I don't think he's minraising with those hands.

I suppose thats villain's complete range, but imo it's heavily weighted towards hands that dominate us. Again, I don't think we have FE here, we're pushing into a situation where we are 50/50 at best, 25/75 at worst. It just doesn't make sense to me when calling gives great odds

[godofPOPOV]

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Easy call I think...not only is your FE low, but it's very likely you're drawing to 9 outs

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So you've narrowed down his hand to AK, 66, 55, 65, and KK?

WTF?


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AA, KK, AK, QQ-55. You're probably adding 78 and diamonds in there, but I really don't think it's correct. I don't think he's minraising with those hands.

I suppose thats villain's complete range, but imo it's heavily weighted towards hands that dominate us. Again, I don't think we have FE here, we're pushing into a situation where we are 50/50 at best, 25/75 at worst. It just doesn't make sense to me when calling gives great odds

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if you think its weighted towards the hands that dominate (AA, KK, AK) then why do we have great calling odds?

$33 into a pot of about $86 isnt that about 3-1 but were 4-1 to hit our flush?
since we would only have diamonds if were dominated or behind at the moment.

please explain

[delta k]

prob shove, or maybe not quite a shove (focing him to shove over me for his last $30 or whatver) because I think shoving here advertises our hand as what it is, and a smaller raise looks like we're trying to keep him in, thus perhaps giving us more fold equity? if that makes no sense then drugs are bad.

[Casper05]

cc is terrible I think. We are sure to face a huge bet on the turn and we fold the best hand a lot. Besides, he probably min-raised to "see where he's at" with something gay like TT.

Shove.

[blah-blah-blah]

delta why does a shove advertise our hand as a draw? are you not shoving AA/KK/AK here?

[traz]

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$33 into a pot of about $86 isnt that about 3-1 but were 4-1 to hit our flush?
since we would only have diamonds if were dominated or behind at the moment.

please explain

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The pot is not $86. We're getting like 5-1