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09-30-2007, 12:26 AM
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25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
Villan has just sat down and is totally unknown, whats the standard line in this spot?
Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $26.35 BB: $17.65 UTG: $24.65 CO: $54.05 Hero (BTN): $26.80 Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players) <font color="red">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.90</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.05 Flop: ($6.15) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $6.15</font>, Hero? Whats your play vs. a total unknown? Cheers 
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#2
09-30-2007, 01:00 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
This looks like a bet by jtxx without flush redraw. Middle set would certainly check/raise because the assumption (not the truth) when someone reraises preflop is that they have AAxx. I like call and shove any checked turn. Shoving flop is ok, but not great.
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09-30-2007, 02:13 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
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This looks like a bet by jtxx without flush redraw. Middle set would certainly check/raise because the assumption (not the truth) when someone reraises preflop is that they have AAxx. I like call and shove any checked turn. Shoving flop is ok, but not great. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I thought the same about jtxx with no flush during the hand, and your line was how I played it, but afterwards I thought shoving is probably better but interested in others thoughts too edited for clarity
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09-30-2007, 02:21 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
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This looks like a bet by jtxx without flush redraw. Middle set would certainly check/raise because the assumption (not the truth) when someone reraises preflop is that they have AAxx. I like call and shove any checked turn. Shoving flop is ok, but not great. [/ QUOTE ] If middle set check/raises the flop then why wouldnt JT without a redraw do the same?
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#6
09-30-2007, 03:51 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
Because middle set is fine getting allin versus aces on the flop. jt without a redraw knows that aces may check behind with flush draw or even have decent equity to call check raise allin.
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#7
09-30-2007, 06:18 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
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I shove the flop. [/ QUOTE ] really?? i cant see the value in shoving here - JT is calling and everything else we beat is going away. i prefer call/shove way ahead of this as we are totaly forfeiting our position by shoving flop
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#8
09-30-2007, 07:52 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
shove
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09-30-2007, 11:13 AM
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Re: 25PLO top set vs total uknown scary board
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Because middle set is fine getting allin versus aces on the flop. jt without a redraw knows that aces may check behind with flush draw or even have decent equity to call check raise allin. [/ QUOTE ] My point was, why wouldn't a set use the same reasoning if they put themselves ahead of aces and don't have a flush re-draw?
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