tough spot with bottom 2

sh58 · #1 09-02-2007, 12:44 PM

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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($198)
Hero ($407.05)
UTG ($200)
MP ($259.20)
CO ($221.10)
Button ($119.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($7) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4, MP calls $4.

Turn: ($19) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, MP folds, SB raises to $39, Hero calls $27.

River: ($97) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $66, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $97

villain is Pie_Voleuse, pretty laggy but not out of line much postflop in unraised pot. (28/21/6.8) over 1500 hands. his AF is strange. 17/4/1.5. i expect him to be betting this flop with any reasonable piece, and i just called to keep the other guy in who was really bad (he had recently won a monster pot when he called 3 barells with A hi (no draw), and beat the other guys K hi. when he checked i assumed he had given up, but then he raised. his line really confused me.

it is hard to put him on a hand really, but it would be a weird spot for a bluff.

do you think a call is in order because his line makes no sense?

deaders · #2 09-02-2007, 12:48 PM

raise

the

flop

please.

As played fold the river.

sh58 · #3 09-02-2007, 12:55 PM

i didn't raise the flop because i wanted the idiot along for the ride who would presumably call with ATC here. the way i see it, i raise the flop, and usually win just what is in the pot, villain could have a wide range, so calling is far more profitable

sh58 · #4 09-02-2007, 12:56 PM

also deaders, what do you put him on here?

HoldEmNewby · #5 09-02-2007, 01:02 PM

His range in my mind is KQ,44,33 or a draw. I like how you played it till the river. I'd call.

deaders · #6 09-02-2007, 01:02 PM

44, 33, possibly KQ, mayyybe something like 56cc.

Bottom two isnt a hand to trap with and bring someone else along for the ride with.

HoldEmNewby · #7 09-02-2007, 01:05 PM

i agree with deaders on raising the flop and not trapping; i do like the turn though especially bet size.

Akimka · #8 09-04-2007, 11:27 AM

Dear stefanh58!

My reads on you says that you are maybe overtight so I needed to take stab on this big pot on the river cause I put you on certain range of hands after turn call of my c/r and to most of them T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is useless. First of I needed to strike out sets and KQ because you need to push on turn so most probable hand to me seems TP that picked up FD on turn or hand like 56 that trying to call for implied odds. For most of hands T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is useless card that completes nothng and there I can stab to a pot and Q can fold. As played even bottom 2+2 could fold in fact. For particular hand I had busted draw.

Sincerely yours, Pie_Voleuse. Will meet on tables.

Womble · #9 09-04-2007, 11:42 AM

Lol - why CR the turn with a draw? I prefer to bet out again or c/f

As played - if you are calling the turn you have to call the river - dont change much. I prob fold this turn though. Looks a lot like 2pair or a set - unless you know he can play draws liek this

Akimka · #10 09-04-2007, 11:50 AM

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Lol - why CR the turn with a draw? I prefer to bet out again or c/f

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I don't care much of free cards obv and c/r is so strong move that he can make him fold Q or weak [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] draw here and if it will not I don't care about sweeting the pot much cause I probably have enough implied to live with that he called my turn c/r.

What's wrong with this line?