Ribbit's Edits

TheRempel · #1 08-07-2007, 07:30 PM

Ribs after the other thread was conviently closed after I'm sure you spammed the 'Notify Moderator' button to try to get the last word, I went back and grabbed the hand history of the hand I supposedly played badly. You edited out the preflop action to make yourself look better:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1345001
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $52.30
UTG+1: $309.10
TheRempel: $355.60
MP2: $269.50
CO: $91.60
Button: $456
SB: $66
Ribs: $682.15

Pre-flop: (8 players) TheRempel is MP1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $6, UTG+1 folds, TheRempel calls, 4 folds, Ribs raises to $25, UTG calls, TheRempel calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($76, 3 players)
Ribs bets $52, UTG calls all-in $27.3, TheRempel raises to $256.3, Ribs raises all-in $657.15, TheRempel calls all-in $74.3.
Uncalled bets: $326.55 returned to BB.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($461.2, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $157.9, Sidepot 1: $606.6)

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($461.2, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $157.9, Sidepot 1: $606.6)

Results:
Final pot: $461.2
TheRempel wins with a flush, ace high.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2937338
pokenum -o 5d ah 2d ad - kc jc 6s 9h - 6d as ks 4s -- 8s 6h qs
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Qs 8s 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 5d 2d Ah 203 30.48 463 69.52 0 0.00 0.305 - Ribs
6s Kc Jc 9h 160 24.02 477 71.62 29 4.35 0.262 - Shortstack
As Ks 4s 6d 274 41.14 363 54.50 29 4.35 0.433 - Rempel

Sidepot:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2937386
pokenum -o 5d ah 2d ad - 6d as ks 4s -- 8s 6h qs / kc jc 6s 9h
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Qs 8s 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 5d 2d Ah 309 46.40 357 53.60 0 0.00 0.464
As Ks 4s 6d 357 53.60 309 46.40 0 0.00 0.536

Congrats you got about the best case scenario for your hand.

It's clear to see you wanted it to look like a big part of the stacks went in the middle preflop but it's also obvious you are delusional. Thanks for the money.

As for the other hand:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1344990

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $212.40
UTG+1: $163.55
MP1: $117.90
Ribs: $199
MP3: $81.20
CO: $201.40
TheRempel: $866.45
SB: $78
BB: $738.25

Pre-flop: (9 players) TheRempel is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Ribs raises to $9, MP3 raises to $32, CO folds, TheRempel calls, 3 folds, Ribs raises to $133, MP3 calls all-in $49.2, TheRempel raises to $234, Ribs calls all-in $66.
Uncalled bets: $35 returned to TheRempel.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($245.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $248.6)

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($245.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $248.6)

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($245.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot:
$248.6)

Results:
Main pot: $245.6, Side pot: 235.60

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2937346
pokenum -o ks qh ah 2s - 4c ad kc kd - 7s td 6d 8d -- 8s 6h qs
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Qs 8s 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 2s Ah Qh 342 51.35 319 47.90 5 0.75 0.517 - Ribs
Kc 4c Ad Kd 29 4.35 632 94.89 5 0.75 0.047 - MP3
7s Td 8d 6d 290 43.54 376 56.46 0 0.00 0.435 - TheRempel

Looks like we both got it in good with a nice overlay. What exactly is your problem?

piiop · #2 08-07-2007, 07:38 PM

On the last one you have the flop from the other hand in the twodimes calc.

Ribbo · #3 08-07-2007, 07:39 PM

My problem is you claiming winning 2 coin flips clearly shows you being superior, when in reality the reason you gamble so much when you know you're flipping at BEST is the reason you went bust.
Your propensity to shove flush draws like they are the nuts leads to an overaggressive nature that causes tilt and the later chasing of losses.
A play in a hand is not always considering the bigger picture, which is that of not going BUSTO.
Many factors can cause someone going bust, whether it be because they are bad, they play underbankrolled, they are unlucky, they move up too quickly, they don't sit in the easy games etc.
You're style of play when taken in a vacuum is fine, but to suggest to a lot of omaha players as being a wise choice is just wrong, as you yourself found out.
Unless you're a robot, it will cause tilt and your bankroll found that out.

Oh and, there is just no reason for you to ever shove 678T like that when you have position. You should save your last $66 for the flop for the times it comes 222 and can fold. It's not like I will be folding the flop ever given the range of hands I will normally hold here. The only person who would save money is you by not shoving preflop.

TheRempel · #4 08-07-2007, 07:40 PM

Oops: Should be:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2554392
pokenum -mc 500000 -o ks qh ah 2s - 4c ad kc kd - 7s td 6d 8d
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks 2s Ah Qh 147434 29.49 334011 66.80 18555 3.71 0.313
Kc 4c Ad Kd 174382 34.88 307063 61.41 18555 3.71 0.367
7s Td 8d 6d 159629 31.93 340371 68.07 0 0.00 0.319

Silent A · #5 08-07-2007, 07:47 PM

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My problem is you claiming winning 2 coin flips clearly shows you being superior, when in reality the reason you gamble so much when you know you're flipping at BEST is the reason you went bust.
Your propensity to shove flush draws like they are the nuts leads to an overaggressive nature that causes tilt and the later chasing of losses.
A play in a hand is not always considering the bigger picture, which is that of not going BUSTO.
Many factors can cause someone going bust, whether it be because they are bad, they play underbankrolled, they are unlucky, they move up too quickly, they don't sit in the easy games etc.
You're style of play when taken in a vacuum is fine, but to suggest to a lot of omaha players as being a wise choice is just wrong, as you yourself found out.
Unless you're a robot, it will cause tilt and your bankroll found that out.

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What? In the first had, who pushed back against the raise (with zero fold equity) with a hand that could easily have 1 out?

Ribbo · #6 08-07-2007, 07:52 PM

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What? In the first had, who pushed back against the raise (with zero fold equity) with a hand that could easily have 1 out?

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Incorrect. Try again. This time I suggest you read the 100 hands that happened at the table before this one. Then you will have a better understanding of the situation. Taking a hand out of context and commenting upon it doesn't help.
Ultimately it was Rempel shoving bottom pair like this that lead him to going bust 3 months later, so I ask you, who made the worse decision on the hand?

Silent A · #7 08-07-2007, 07:56 PM

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What? In the first had, who pushed back against the raise (with zero fold equity) with a hand that could easily have 1 out?

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Incorrect. Try again. This time I suggest you read the 100 hands that happened at the table before this one. Then you will have a better understanding of the situation.

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Like how am I going to do that? If you present them in a vacuum don't complain if we analyze them in a vacuum.

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Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($76, 3 players)
Ribs bets $52, UTG calls all-in $27.3, TheRempel raises to $256.3, Ribs raises all-in $657.15, TheRempel calls all-in $74.3.

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How is what I said wrong?

Ribbo · #8 08-07-2007, 07:59 PM

If I can "easily" have 1 out here, why is Rempel turning over a pair of sixes?
Clearly Rempel can "easily" have a lot of hands here that I am not in trouble against, especially since I am aware what an isolation raise looks like.

TheRempel · #9 08-07-2007, 08:05 PM

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My problem is you claiming winning 2 coin flips clearly shows you being superior, when in reality the reason you gamble so much when you know you're flipping at BEST is the reason you went bust.

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Umm no, you have posted on a number of occasions a picture of you with a large stack sitting at a table with me where I have just over 1 BI as though you had somehow won all that money from me, when in reality I believe you won one or two pots from me at that table and both were around 200BB total.

I was simply showing this was not the case and I am actually up against you over the small amount of hands we played last year.

I gamble to tilt players that steam badly (your AA push in the first hand is awful).

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Your propensity to shove flush draws like they are the nuts leads to an overaggressive nature that causes tilt and the later chasing of losses.

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Again you must be talking about yourself cause you certainly are not describing me. I had much more than a flush draw in that first hand and I only push flush draws in +EV situations where I expect fold equity or an all in situation where I am in nice shape.

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A play in a hand is not always considering the bigger picture, which is that of not going BUSTO.

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Lol. See once again I must point out the difference between you and I is that I am open and honest about my faults while engage in a lot of shottaking while pretending to yourself and everyone else you actually have a roll. You posted a hand earlier today where you were play 10/20 on party. Suddenly you have 80K to be properly bankrolled for that game where a couple weeks ago you could only play 1/2?

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Many factors can cause someone going bust, whether it be because they are bad, they play underbankrolled, they are unlucky, they move up too quickly, they don't sit in the easy games etc.
You're style of play when taken in a vacuum is fine, but to suggest to a lot of omaha players as being a wise choice is just wrong, as you yourself found out.

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Yeah see here's the thing... I post very little about *my* style of play for two reasons:

a) It's very high variance and most people are looking for less variance in their play.
b) I don't need to educate my opponents on how to play against me.

So generally I only post in threads where there is something missing from answers people are given and then I try to tie it in to fundamentals that I feel the OP may be missing from their game. When someone asks me if they should push the NFD in a mutliway pot where they are certain they are going to get enough callers to justify it then of course I am going to say 'Hell yeah'.

I rarely if ever post hands that I personally played unless it's in the low content thread for fun or if I feel I have a leak that I need to work out. Even then I have a few friends that I share a mutual respect with whose opinions I trust more than the average message board poster.

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Unless you're a robot, it will cause tilt and your bankroll found that out.

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I have tilted twice in my poker career. Once when I was running really poorly and followed a fish 4 levels above where I was bankrolled for and got colddecked at every opportunity and had to redeposit, and the other time when I was running really hot at UB and chose to sit down at 50/100 and lost a monster pot in a really really gross situation. Both times I reacted badly to some really poor luck and kept playing instead of walking away for the day and resuming another day at lower stakes. There have been situations where I asked for people to back me (I never ever posted on this forum asking for backers; I once asked how staking agreements go) and all were related to unforseen circumstances. Two close family members died in a four month period in which I also ran extremely bad and Party abruptly terminated my rakeback, so I had to ask a friend to take a piece of my action for a while so I didn't have to move down in stakes until I started running well again.

Neither of these times did my 'tilt' cause me to play badly. I made poor BR choices that I definitely regret but I have learned from them and have moved on. I'm not playing 2/4 or higher because there are more people that play a similar style to me and SD goes way up, so I am currently happy grinding it out at 1/2 (and lower) on a bunch of different sites until I am overrolled for 2/4.

I have lived quite well off poker as my sole income for over a year. There have been thin times and fat times but I wouldn't change it for anything.

Now for the real question: Why did you feel the need to edit those two hands you posted?

Silent A · #10 08-07-2007, 08:09 PM

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If I can "easily" have 1 out here, why is Rempel turning over a pair of sixes?
Clearly Rempel can "easily" have a lot of hands here that I am not in trouble against, especially since I am aware what an isolation raise looks like.

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I don't mean that it's the only possibility, I mean that there will be plenty of 1 or 2 outer hands to ruin your equity vs. his range. And you certainly have no fold equity.

Either way, your downside is WAY bigger than his and to call him out about "going busto" with plays like this is laughable.

Why am I doing this? It's not like TheRempel can't defend himself.

Oh yeah, I was post slutting to get to 2400 posts thinking that was the Carpal/'Tunnel number. But it's not. The end for me.