grrr...am I getting pushed around by this villain..?

[djj6835]

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Every AX (except A2) is "ahead" on this flop. He probably folds A6-AJ.

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Do over aggro donks really play Ax, flop an ace and then fold at the first sign of resistance at the micros?

[Check_The_Nuts]

yeah if you didn't have the gutshot or the low kicker then pushing the flop would be pretty bad.

if you had KK that would be bad too.

I also have no idea why you think people are bluffing the turn/river so often 3way that its so profitable to just call here to induce bluffs later. Your inducing valuebets is what your doing.

Not to mention with 3 ppl in the pot on the turn, the Ac missing, its going to be really hard to extract if you hti on the turn, and will be hard if you hit on the river.

Push is definitely better, I really see no reason to just call the flop. Your kicker is horrible.

[Khaos4k]

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Every AX (except A2) is "ahead" on this flop. He probably folds A6-AJ.

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Do over aggro donks really play Ax, flop an ace and then fold at the first sign of resistance at the micros?

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I don't know about stakes these low. But even if he does call, we have over 50% equity vs a higher ace.

[bknollenberg]

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with those reads i think u should be raising the flop here..

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WTF GET YOUR OWN AVATAR YOU NIT

[djj6835]

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I also have no idea why you think people are bluffing the turn/river so often 3way that its so profitable to just call here to induce bluffs later. Your inducing valuebets is what your doing.

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Whether or not we induce a bluff or not doesn't really matter when we are still getting called by every set, two pair, and ace while folding all other hands.

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Push is definitely better, I really see no reason to just call the flop. Your kicker is horrible.

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All the more reason to not shove imo. We are a dog against villains calling range and have zero fe against hands better than ours.

[thoman8r]

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I don't like calling down here at all and think its terrible. I also don't like check/raise turn or whatever. Your fold equity has to go up significantly on the turn to make that a better play than getting it in on the flop. You also pot stick him a bit if you take the check/raise turn line.

It's not about keeping hands in you beat. You don't beat enough hands with Top pair second lowest kicker. The flop has to be pushed for equity reasons. Also if you check/call this turn it may be difficult to get paid on a spade river. Especially with the As missing.

With him pushing you around it just makes it double true that you have to push the flop. I think he's folding on the turn/river less often due to that fact.


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The only way raising trying to get it in on this flop is even close to OK is bc we also have a straight draw so we are actually a slight favorite over better aces. Otherwise raising the flop is only going to prevent you from getting more money from underpairs and bluffs. You have zero fe against any hand that beats you and we already have showdown value, why are you wanting to bluff? Take away our straight draw on the flop and just give hero the ace with a flush draw and raising becomes terrible.

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Like a previous poster said, it's not about FE, it's about pot equity. If one of our draws gets there we aren't going to make a dime off an underpair or an ace, so best to get it in now. Sure it'll fold the underpair, but we might get a call and look at the equity we have against the range that might call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

85,140 games 0.005 secs 17,028,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 3c As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

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And if he only calls with 2 pair or better hands, we still have > 50% equity (but there's no way his calling range is this tight)

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

26,730 games 0.005 secs 5,346,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 3c As
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.790% 52.38% 01.41% 14002 376.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 46.210% 44.80% 01.41% 11976 376.00 { 44-33, A4s-A3s, 43s, A4o-A3o, 43o }

[Check_The_Nuts]

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I also have no idea why you think people are bluffing the turn/river so often 3way that its so profitable to just call here to induce bluffs later. Your inducing valuebets is what your doing.

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Whether or not we induce a bluff or not doesn't really matter when we are still getting called by every set, two pair, and ace while folding all other hands.

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Push is definitely better, I really see no reason to just call the flop. Your kicker is horrible.

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All the more reason to not shove imo. We are a dog against villains calling range and have zero fe against hands better than ours.

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humm... You can't have (A) and (B) both. If he's calling with any ace, then you are ahead of his calling range. Especially if your push range included sets. If he's folding everything but sets then yeah your behind, but he probably has AK/AQ/AJ here often as well. Making it likely +EV as well. You do realize your like 40% equity versus a set (12 outs twice, 50% minus the times he fills up).

verus any ace you have 15 outs. That's [censored] omaha-good drawing odds.

[djj6835]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

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That range is insane, both as a range given preflop/flop action and as a calling range.

[ICMoney]

Whoooaahhh, easy there bud, don't get too aggressive now...

...uuummm, wait...you just call flop and then check fold turn??

Pump flop, get it in on turn.

You'll look back in a few months and laugh at how weak-tight you are now.

Live and learn.

[Check_The_Nuts]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

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That range is insane, both as a range given flop action and as a calling range.

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I agree with that range. I don't think he'll call with AJ though.