lolturn + lots of questions.

[NinaWilliams]

Villain is Milesdyson. He knows me and I know him, not too much monkey business goes on between us.

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 2 players)
Hero

Questions:
1) Bet river?
2) Bet turn?
3) Fold to a turn raise?
4) If I check river, whats my play?
5) Same questions, but now villain is unknown/laggy.

[istewart]

I'd bet the river, I think there is value. Don't betfold the turn. It really depends if there's any unique history (whether betcalling the turn and checkfolding the river is best or something different).

[ProfessorBen]

ME: why dont u just say villain is milesdyson?
ME: will that skew results too much?
Nina: idk
ME: i mean
ME: different SSSH play differently
ME: and u know its miles
ME: so they should know i guess
ME: but sometimes
ME: when u post
ME: that its a good 2p2er
ME: everyone just says
ME: ZOMG GET TO SHOWDOWN
ME: CALL
ME: AND LET HIM OWN YOU

[istewart]

Oh it's miles. Didn't see that. This is a bit tougher imo. I feel like he can fold better than most in this type of spot. Something like JT, QJ with a club, etc. If he thinks about this from your perspective he doesn't really beat much, assuming no extraordinary battles between you.

[Oink]

c/f against Miles.

He doesnt expect you to fold and he isnt calling a worse hand on the river unless you start getting out of line with other hands here

[Absolution]

Miles range I think is AJ, AT, KQ/KJ/KT/QJ (with a club), K9/Q9/J9/T9/87/97 (with a club), or JT when he calls the turn. I like the bet on the turn here because there are a lot of hands that he calls with that you still beat. The problem on the river against a guy like miles is that he probably isn't going to bluff anything you beat in this spot. He also isn't going to call anything you beat here. I would check fold.

[milesdyson]

i almost folded the turn, and then i called with Qh8h.

[Absolution]

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i almost folded the turn, and then i called with Qh8h.

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Why?

[Sushiglutton]

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He also isn't going to call anything you beat here. I would check fold.

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So it woud be an easy bet with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] then?

[milesdyson]

1. just felt like calling.
2. didn't think i'd ever fold the best hand on the river after i call on that turn.
3. i imagine there are some worse hands in Nina's range
4. 5.5:1

maybe i should fold.

obviously i'm not calling the river ui here lol