QQ from upfront early in Warmup...Is this ok?

[ShannonShorr]

Seat 1: Jemb (14425 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: ogganova (1425 in chips)
Seat 3: noseyboy (10975 in chips)
Seat 4: $kipToMyLou (26850 in chips)
Seat 5: Strakov (8025 in chips)
Seat 6: realmann04 (15275 in chips)
Seat 7: OnlyPlayRagz (8950 in chips)
Seat 8: pucis (14500 in chips)
Seat 9: basebal1b (16725 in chips)
Strakov: posts small blind 100
realmann04: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to basebal1b [Qd Qs]
OnlyPlayRagz: folds
pucis: folds
basebal1b: raises 400 to 600
Jemb: folds
ogganova: folds
noseyboy: folds
$kipToMyLou: raises 1200 to 1800
Strakov: folds
realmann04: folds
basebal1b: folds


It feels incredibly nitty, but this has to be just a fold preflop on the internet often times, right? Against an unknown we'd almost always be willing to get it in when the flop comes 942 here, so is it too silly to just lay the hand down instead of getting our 83BBs in this early?

[gobboboy]

Looks perfect.

[ImNotSoGood]

This is an easy call, you can see a flop and reevaluate, plus you have set odds.

[Ansky]

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This is an easy call, you can see a flop and reevaluate, plus you have set odds.

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u really don't have set odds for sure... it's very close. However, I'd probably call regardless.

[ZJ123]

Seems like an easy call to me.

[Mordan]

I think a fold is fine in almost every tournament of this nature "except" in this tourney and the also the stars million. IMO there are just way to many satellite donks in this tourney to fold in that spot. I call and reevaluate on the flop and if his DB looks right, i stak off on a 9 4 2 board as you said.

[Eagles]

What Ansky said

[Todd Terry]

Why are the set odds close here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[baltostar]

Nowhere close having right implied odds to play for set value.

16725/1800 = 9.3:1 and you need at least 18:1 (9:1 to hit multiplied at least 2:1 that he comes along for entire stack).

Anyone know what the odds are that no A or K show up in flop ?

[Todd Terry]

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Nowhere close having right implied odds to play for set value.

16725/1800 = 9.3:1 and you need at least 18:1 (9:1 to hit multiplied at least 2:1 that he comes along for entire stack).

Anyone know what the odds are that no A or K show up in flop ?

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It's 1200 to call, 7:1 to hit. Whatever the minimum implied odds multiplier is, it should be applied to someone who 3bets an UTG raiser. You'd have to assign a range to the 3bettor that includes lots of hands with aces and kings to come up with an answer to your question about A or K flopping that would apply to this situation.