100NL: 3Bet AK Whiffs

Kos13 · #1 08-01-2007, 09:58 PM

Villain runs 57/10/1.25/650 (though he's somehow up $600). He INSTANTLY called the 3bet...since there was zero consideration to raising or folding, I think I can pretty much rule out QQ+.

Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 10 Players

Hero (SB): $121.95
UTG: $140.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10 Players)
UTG raises to $3.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $3.50, 1 fold, CO calls $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $18.00, 1 fold, UTG calls $14.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($44) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $26.00, UTG takes maybe two seconds to call $26.00

Is it pointless to bet this flop? If I hit an A or a K on the turn, what's my play?

EDIT: Condensed PF folds.

TheRedRocket · #2 08-01-2007, 10:07 PM

you need to know how often he folds to a cbet then you will know if you should bet after missing against this opponent

Kos13 · #3 08-01-2007, 10:16 PM

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you need to know how often he folds to a cbet then you will know if you should bet after missing against this opponent

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1. The sample size is too small to make a reasonable, accurate judgment.

2. Most of those examples will be from raised pots...this is a 3bet pot where I raised an UTG raiser and two callers.

TheRedRocket · #4 08-01-2007, 10:21 PM

i disagree after 650 hands, you could get an idea, especially if its really high or low

do you know how often he calls PFR? I use this and it gives a fairly accurate picture, obviously 3bet will be smaller but still.

when in doubt I cbet

SABR42 · #5 08-01-2007, 10:38 PM

C-betting against loose morons on middle-card flops is a leak.

When you 3-bet him with AK, your goal should be to bet/bet/bet when you flop a pair.

C-betting into him here is playing right into his hands.

TheRedRocket · #6 08-01-2007, 10:41 PM

so the only time we make $$ is when he calls with a weaker A or K and we both hit? doesn't that play right into his hands if he's calling with things like TT, 99 or even aq if we both miss?

SABR42 · #7 08-01-2007, 10:46 PM

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so the only time we make $$ is when he calls with a weaker A or K and we both hit?

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Or when the flop comes K-4-2, but he doesn't believe you and calls you down with TT.

C-betting this flop against a loose player is awful IMO.

Kos13 · #8 08-01-2007, 10:51 PM

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C-betting this flop against a loose player is awful IMO.

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Yeah, this is what I was looking for. Awhile back, I posted a similar hand (the villain wasn't as loose, but the situation was similar) where I c/f the flop, and I got flamed.

As soon as I bet, I wanted to take it back. There's really not much he folds on that board. As played, what do I do if I turn an ace or a king? Against this guy, I don't know if I actually want to hit anything.

CalledDownLight · #9 08-02-2007, 01:00 AM

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C-betting this flop against a loose player is awful IMO.

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Yeah, this is what I was looking for. Awhile back, I posted a similar hand (the villain wasn't as loose, but the situation was similar) where I c/f the flop, and I got flamed.

As soon as I bet, I wanted to take it back. There's really not much he folds on that board. As played, what do I do if I turn an ace or a king? Against this guy, I don't know if I actually want to hit anything.

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I'd felt a K and don't know what I'd do with an A, but I'm probably not getting away from it. I'm checking every turn though and crai on a K (and prob. A) turn.

Dennisa · #10 08-02-2007, 01:06 AM

Personally, I think 3 betting AK out of position against a 57/10 who is luckboxing the table is your biggest mistake. Just call his raise, c/r if you hit an a or k and try to stack a donk with tptk or better.

This guy is calling all the way down with any pair just cause he is running very hot.