Me and registrar disagree: Limp-calling with suited connector - Page 2

registrar · #11 02-28-2007, 04:22 PM

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What about calling and playing this as a stop and go?

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The reason I wanted to call is because I don't see villain ever folding the flop and never if he bets.

Requin · #12 02-28-2007, 04:25 PM

Calling is beyond awful. You're acting like villain will shove allin blind. 1. That's not going to happen and 2. You can be drawing so slim already.

TakenItEasy · #13 02-28-2007, 04:25 PM

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What about calling and playing this as a stop and go?

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The reason I wanted to call is because I don't see villain ever folding the flop and never if he bets.

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This is deep stack reasoning which you are not even close to being.

registrar · #14 02-28-2007, 04:32 PM

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Calling is beyond awful. You're acting like villain will shove allin blind. 1. That's not going to happen and 2. You can be drawing so slim already.

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I don't get this. Calling is clearly -EV. I accept that. But this is a Party $50 and villain will go to the felt with his big pair, if such he has, and may do all kinds of other weird stuff and give us the pot if he hasn't got a big pair or he has JJ and two overcards flop etc.

My main point is that we very rarely lose anything more than the call, 60k is worth more or less the same as 50k at this stage whereas 95k is worth a lot more than either.

Calling is theoretically clearly wrong but, on Party, it's practically, perhaps, near enough right.

Requin · #15 02-28-2007, 04:36 PM

You sound suspiciously close to saying you're going to 'outplay' him after the flop, without saying exactly how. Do you have a plan for various flops?

Soulman · #16 02-28-2007, 04:36 PM

registrar,

can you perhaps give us an outline on what you'd do on the flop, seeing as how we're first to act?

With two overcards? With all rags? With one pair and an ace? You get the idea [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Mike Gallo · #17 02-28-2007, 04:41 PM

Fold and move on to the next hand.

Your out of position and your hand does not have showdown value to make an all in reraise.

registrar · #18 02-28-2007, 04:48 PM

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You sound suspiciously close to saying you're going to 'outplay' him after the flop, without saying exactly how. Do you have a plan for various flops?

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Well, yes, this is where the whole thing falls down of course.

Generally, I'll check, see what villain does, consider my options and fold to his bet, and then get annoyed that I've just shipped 6200 chips.

Nevertheless, I think villains on Party do generally play badly enough post-flop that this pot can be ours through check-calling and leading the turn etc...

I'd be sore tempted to call as I say. I think it's probably taking an unncessary risk, as I say. It's definitely -EV and it's not something I'd do on Stars but I would give a call serious consideration on Crypto or Party.

TakenItEasy · #19 02-28-2007, 04:52 PM

So your plan is to hit 2 pair or better?

betgo · #20 02-28-2007, 04:54 PM

I don't like this. I don't think you can outplay at this point. The only reason to call is to stop and go. If villain really has something like AK or JJ, he probably isn't folding.

You are getting about 2-1 pot odds at this point which is about your odds versus villain's range, but you are still a 2-1 dog for the rest of the money, and you either have to put that in on the flop or fold.

The initial limp behind is probably a little questionable. I just don't think this is a good situation for playing a suited connector with your position and the shallow money.