$16 turbo is this totally standard, or totally terrible?

carko3 · #1 07-05-2007, 01:03 PM

I basically let a friend of mine play for me, he said this is an easy shove, he's a fairly decent STT player.

I have no idea, so I'm posting here. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Important note: Had shoved previously on shortstacked CO's late position limp, and he folded. So we assume he's a donk who limps with weak hands in late etc.

- Also UTG is totally weak.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t1665)
Hero (t1745)
BB (t4085)
UTG (t2350)
MP (t2680)
CO (t975)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, CO calls t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1745, 1 fold, UTG folds, CO calls t775 (All-In).

Flop: (t3120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3120) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3120

Edit: UTG is totally weak!

TruFloridaGator · #2 07-05-2007, 01:05 PM

Totally terrible. You have a decent stack & people love to limp/call. You need a fairly strong hand here. I like A7s,A8o,KQ,66+, but it depends on the limpers.

kyro · #3 07-05-2007, 01:05 PM

I hate it. I can't see CO folding a second time with only 775 chips. And who knows what UTG is limping with.

J-P · #4 07-05-2007, 01:06 PM

This is pretty bad. CO is never folding here and it's also possible UTG is limping a monster.

carko3 · #5 07-05-2007, 01:09 PM

oops. don't know if my edit changes anything but yeah, UTG is really weak and we've seen him fold before.

RRizGod · #6 07-05-2007, 01:10 PM

your friend is a total idiot.

TruFloridaGator · #7 07-05-2007, 01:10 PM

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oops. don't know if my edit changes anything but yeah, UTG is really weak and we've seen him fold before.

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Which makes it a lot more likely he is calling this time. He's shorter & going to get tired of being pushed upon.

Kevin8423 · #8 07-05-2007, 01:12 PM

You have a short stacked limper and a garbage hand, its great to shove over limpers and its a good way to pick up a lot of chips but this is a really bad spot. You'll get called a decent amount and you'll usually be behind.

WuTank · #9 07-05-2007, 01:17 PM

damn [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] So teh friend is me. Here is my thinking:
UTG limp is ultra weak he will fold I assume the 200 is dead money.BB will only call pretty tight here so i also give the 200 as dead money in the pot.Also our SB is allready in the pot so we have 500Chips deadmoney.
Co limps are super weak, his range is xtreme wide (like 30%).I am also very confident that we still have FE here,not much but sth. like 10% because i he is a total moron.
That said we invest 900 into a pot of 1500, so we need like 37,5 % Equity in this spot here.
Stoved we get ~ 35% against a range of 25% which is imho on the tight end of his spectrum, combined with the FE which is there for sure i think its at least breakeven in cEV.
This play is ultra read dependant.
Thought on this?

alex-star · #10 07-05-2007, 01:18 PM

My eyes!!!!!

This is bad.