AP thread 872.6 - Statement ITT

[Jim Kuhn]

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I know that OSCAR133 is innocent, and I haven't even seen any of the relevant data.

Why?

Let me familiarize you with what I call the "Jessica Simpson lie":

A guy tells his buddies that he just had sex with Jessica Simpson last night. Naturally, his buddies don't beleive him.

"Call her up right now and let's hear you talk to her about last night," demands one of them.

The guy makes a lame excuse as to why he can't.

"Okay, then tell us where the two of you went, so we can ask workers around there if they saw you with Jessica Simpson," another friend demands.

The guy stutters and stammers, and finally weakly says that they didn't go out in public.

"Surely you must have a picture of you two together. Maybe an answering machine message from her? Maybe at least an e-mail or text message from her?"

The guy again looks very uncomfortable, and says that he never took a picture with her, and that he deleted all the messages he ever got from her.

Finally, one of his friends says, "I bet you can't even show us the open box of condoms you used last night!"

Immediately the guy races to his desk drawer, pulls out an open box of condoms, and says, "SEE! Told you I had sex with Jessica Simpson!"

The moral of the story? Liars pounce on any "proof" someone asks for that happens to match their story.

Back to the AP situation. OSCAR133 has been accused on 2+2 with some very circumstantial evidence. While AP has been cryptic and difficult when it comes to obtaining evidence that could truly solve the matter, they were happy to offer anyone to come down to their office and see the account details of OSCAR133. Absolute Poker is proud of OSCAR133 because he is not a cheater, and is not connected to anyone in the company. If OSCAR133 comes away clean, it makes their other lies seem true.

OSCAR133 is an open box of condoms. Stop asking about him.

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POTY IMO

[Dan Druff]

Oh, and don't believe this BS about third-party software. This is a carefully crafted lie to make it appear that their normally-secure system was cracked by a techincally gifted insider with knowledge on how to do it.

That's not what happened.

A superuser account (most likely #363, perhaps others) was created a long time ago -- before AP even opened -- for testing purposes. Instead of disabling it like any responsible company would do, Scott Tom the meglomaniac decided he wanted it to remain open so he could have access to it. This account was eventually used during the scandal, and perhaps at other times beforehand. This was obviously the most blatant and high-profile usage of it, which led to the public discovering it.

This is the simplest explanation, and it's the one that both makes the most sense and corresponds properly with the evidence we have.

AJ Green is not a programmer. Scott Tom is not a programmer. I guarantee you that none of these frat boys are technically competent enough to compromise the system on their own -- even with insider knowledge. This was definitely done through the use of a simple interface that was designed a long time ago.

The reason AP is lying about this is because their current story rests the blame on the shoulders of one "consultant", rather than the entire management of AP for letting a superuser account exist on the system for over 3 years. It also allows them to continue to stand by their earlier repeated denials of a superuser account existing. This tall tale allows them to claim they never knew this sort of thing was possible.

[TonyRoflmao]

Dan,

Plane Crash Article: http://www.onlinecasinosandplayers.c...num=1189786905

[Synergistic Explosions]

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Ike,

I didn't mean to be a dick. Just wanted to point out that your decision to not go back might be easier and prove more correct if you consider that just as many fish as sharks are going to leave because of this scandal. If not a greater percentage.

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you are assuming that this info is equally distributed among players, this is obv not true.

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What percentage of 5-10+ players do you think will be unaware of the situation in a month? I would say 25% of them not knowing would be generous.

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well considering I'm looking at who is playing 5/10+ right now and its all fish, I'm thinking youre wrong

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If somebody were going to shill for getting players back to AP i think they would do best to use replys similar to yours.

I'm wondering how somebody who uses EV calculations for their decisions as you do, would see benefit in constantly promoting the good qualities of such a fishy site on one of the most popular threads in one of the most popular poker forums.

Now i'm being a dick.

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You are not being a dick. I was thinking the exact same thing. For someone who bases his playing decisions solely on where the easiest games are, why is he constantly stating the best games are at AP for him? Possibly he considers most 2+2 readers to be fish is all I can think of, and wants us to come back.

[bobman0330]

People who want to see a criminal investigation would probably do better contacting someone like the FBI cybercrime unit than the Costa Rican police.

[Lori]

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Quote - The KGC was set up by Norton. It did nothing while players were cheated.

One of the detectives here called the KGC and reported that he was pleasantly surprised by how seriously they seemed to take his report of cheating. He said they not only asked many questions but asked the RIGHT questions. Soon after that the KGC ordered an independent investigation.

I am not aware of a single instance of misbehavior attributed to the KGC other than they permit gambling on their reservation, contrary to the view of the government of Canada. The Kahwanake point out that they are an independent nation, pursuant to an agreement with the French surrounding them in the seventeenth century, and can permit or not permit gambling on their own land, no matter what Canada thinks about it.

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I guess if you forgot about ProPoker and GoldenPalace blackjack then you'd possibly have some kind of point here.
Although I doubt it.

<font color="white"> Lori</font>

[pokerstudAA]

I found some information of the companies that run absolute HERE Pretty Interesting read.

Key points about Absolutes Ownership:

1. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG
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“Absolute Poker and this website is solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake, and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec.

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The Ultimate Bet web site shows the same (or similar) statement.

2. Blast Off Limited
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Poker Scout provides the following about Absolute Poker:
Owner: Blast Off Limited (private company) Headquarters: Malta Server Location: Kahnawake, Canada

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The Malta Registry of Companies is HERE but I cannot find Blast Off, Ltd.

Blast Off Ltd, purchased Excapsa Software (Ultimate Bet) in Oct., 2006, in a five-year planned transaction totaling $130 million.
Blast Off Ltd Controls ten SITES: (10) Bet21.com, Benefitpoker, Cardplayer, DevilfishPoker.com, DV8 Poker, Green Tie Poker, Magic Palace Poker , UltimateBet*, UltimatePoker* , UpperClassPoker Network and Sites

3. Absolute Entertainment, SA
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I also came across another name: ”Absolute Poker is a downloadable poker room and casino using Proprietary Software licensed in Kahnawake. It is one of 2 online gaming sites owned by Absolute Entertainment, SA.”

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Absolute Entertainment S A
Address: C/O Wendy Y Oxley, Belize City
Country: Belize
Industry: Offices of Holding Companies, NEC
Line of business: Holding Companies, Nec, Nsk
Dunn &amp; Bradstreet Internation Business Information Report

4. Innovative Data Solutions

We also know about Innovative Data Solutions - a Costa Rican Company somehow related to Absoulte Poker. This is the name displayed at the front of the gambling911 photos of Absolute's Offices and was confirmed by Schneids.

INNOVATIVE DATA SOLUTIONS:
IDS Technical Consulting
Oficentro de Sebana
San Jose, Costa Rica
Telephone - 011-506-520-0525
Email - info@idsworld.net

Innovative Data Solutions
SBO 306, 7333 NW 54th Street
Miami, Florida 33166
United States
6786312244

[jman220]

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ok i'm only going to say this one more time, and if i get ignored i'll quit, but can someone PLEASE tell me why these guys can't be charged through either the canadian or the costa rican legal system?

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ok i lied. guys, if this has already been addessed please just link me or something, but am i missing something obvious here? canadian legal system. costa rican legal system. INTERPOL. not one of these are viable options? adanthar you're a lawyer- could you let me know about this? sorry if i'm cluttering, but at least it's not ike and someone having the same argument 50 million times over.

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Sure the authorities of Costa Rica "could" press charges. But they probably won't. Same goes for Canada. Good enough for you?

[stackemgood]

Hi I just read about this in a news page. I am wondering did any of these accounts play the $500 buy in tourny? I seen some weird calls and raises when i was playing the tourny abou 3 to 4 weeks ago.

[whangarei]

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Blast Off Ltd Controls ten SITES: (10) Bet21.com, Benefitpoker, Cardplayer, DevilfishPoker.com, DV8 Poker, Green Tie Poker, Magic Palace Poker , UltimateBet*, UltimatePoker* , UpperClassPoker

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They control CardPlayer Magazine???