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#121
09-14-2007, 04:07 PM
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Re: Guns in America
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How can there be a natural right to something that doesn't exist in nature? [/ QUOTE ] Just about every living thing defends itself. [/ QUOTE ] Irrelevant, you're discussing the right to bear arms, not to defend oneself. Besides which, since when does an is imply an ought? [/ QUOTE ] First, that is really dense. Second, I don't understand your Clintonspeak. [/ QUOTE ] "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." 
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#122
09-14-2007, 04:11 PM
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Re: Guns in America
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How can there be a natural right to something that doesn't exist in nature? [/ QUOTE ] Just about every living thing defends itself. [/ QUOTE ] Irrelevant, you're discussing the right to bear arms, not to defend oneself. Besides which, since when does an is imply an ought? [/ QUOTE ] First, that is really dense. Second, I don't understand your Clintonspeak. [/ QUOTE ] Dense? Expand. If you believe that 'natural rights' come from the example of living things and we observe that weapons are not used by any living things other than humans then it seems to run contrary to your point. Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem
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#123
09-14-2007, 04:42 PM
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Re: Guns in America
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Dense? Expand. If you believe that 'natural rights' come from the example of living things and we observe that weapons are not used by any living things other than humans then it seems to run contrary to your point. [/ QUOTE ] Uh, humans are tool users. If we had big horns on our heads, we might defend ourselves like this. But we don't. So if a little old lady is attacked and she picks up a board with a nail in it and defends herself, this is very natural for a human. A firearm is an obvious progression of this concept. For someone who is quoting Hume, I think you are being exceedingly contrary.
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#124
09-14-2007, 10:42 PM
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Re: Guns in America
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[ QUOTE ] I hope more Americans get guns. An armed population is the last defense agains tyrany. By the way, that is a good 'blog' entry on the subject. [/ QUOTE ] WTF are you guys waiting for then? You've had a tyrant running your country for what, 8 years? [/ QUOTE ] No, we got rid of him in 2000.
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#126
09-15-2007, 01:46 AM
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Re: Guns in America
As someone who was a liberal in 2000, (high school), can you elaborate on that? I know clinton was crazy with the drug war, but don't know much else. Except that Hunter Thompson considered him a scumbag (which is good enough for me, but I'd like to know details.)
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#127
09-15-2007, 09:51 AM
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Or, try this page for info on gun control and genocide. [/ QUOTE ] A counterpoint: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/gunsorxp.htm I ought to mention that the idea of gun ownership doesn't bother me at all, but there are better anti-gun control arguments (many of which are in this thread) than trying to connect it with genocide.
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#128
09-15-2007, 11:40 PM
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Re: Guns in America
My dad just bought a 454 Casull with a 2 1/2" barrel. I have nothing else to add except that I'd like to shoot it.
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#130
09-16-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: Guns in America
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As someone who was a liberal in 2000, (high school), can you elaborate on that? I know clinton was crazy with the drug war, but don't know much else. Except that Hunter Thompson considered him a scumbag (which is good enough for me, but I'd like to know details.) [/ QUOTE ] Slick Willy wrote a ton of executive orders, which is a way to enact law without that pesky Congress. Reagan wrote a few more, but that was mostly to undo the ton of executive orders written by Carter. Clinton also pardoned a fairly notorius list of criminals. He also got us involved in war in Kosovo without Congressional action, which nobody bitches about when they bitch about Iraq. BTW, we still have forces in Kosovo today.
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