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Old 11-13-2007, 03:12 PM
KexChoklad123 KexChoklad123 is offline
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why

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Get it in and be happy about it. And also, don't play 1000NL if you are not rolled for it to buy in full. Just advice.

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The last is poor advice
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:02 PM
mattak mattak is offline
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why

Folding top set is out.

Calling here seems bad to me because of so many scare cards to hit the turn (heart, K,J,8 etc) that will kill your action if you are ahead or force you to fold if he bets out. As well, just calling here means you will probably have to call down at least one more bet if not two on the turn and river.

So, its either raise or shove IMO. His range for check raising here is pretty large and you are ahead of most of it (lower set, two pair, draw) and have redraws against a made straight or flush. If you make a raise here you will fold to a reshove? That sucks either way IMO. I like a shove to shut down semi bluffs and you still have lots of value from lower sets and 2 pair that may call you down.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why

by not shoving, but reraising we add value of him shoving couple more hands(maybe more, depends on villain). On my limit it is usually way more hands, rather than I shove myself.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?

reraise
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why

Just shove, you've got good equity if behind and might be ahead, so make him play the guessing games.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:46 AM
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?

On lower levels I think shoving is good because the opponents will call with wider range. On these levels I think 3-betting is a good choice in most cases. It makes opponent's decision a tougher one and allows him to make mistakes.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:48 AM
Vinetou Vinetou is offline
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why

If you get called, expect to be behind. But I still like shoving because it prevents us from getting semibluffed out on future streets.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:58 AM
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PeopleMover is at seat 0 with $1213.50.
blingbling MF is at seat 1 with $1268.
The button is at seat 0.

PeopleMover posts the small blind of $5.
blingbling MF posts the big blind of $10.

PeopleMover: Qc Qd
blingbling MF: -- --

Pre-flop:

PeopleMover raises to $30. blingbling MF calls.

Flop (board: Th 9h Qh):

blingbling MF checks. PeopleMover bets $50.
blingbling MF raises to $185. PeopleMover re-raises
to $615. blingbling MF goes all-in for $1238.
PeopleMover goes all-in for $1183.50. blingbling MF
is returned $54.50 (uncalled).

Turn (board: Th 9h Qh 6c):

(no action in this round)

River (board: Th 9h Qh 6c 3c):

(no action in this round)



Showdown:

blingbling MF shows Jh 2h.
blingbling MF has Jh 2h Th 9h Qh: flush, queen high.
PeopleMover shows Qc Qd.
PeopleMover has Qc Qd Th 9h Qh: three queens.

Hand #47298138-46369 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $2427.
blingbling MF wins $2426.50 with flush, queen high.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:38 PM
KexChoklad123 KexChoklad123 is offline
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?

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On lower levels I think shoving is good because the opponents will call with wider range. On these levels I think 3-betting is a good choice in most cases. It makes opponent's decision a tougher one and allows him to make mistakes.

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You make it sound like players at 5-10 are all good. Move here and you will get called by worse enough to make it good. Also, name couple of hands you 3bet with (not all-in)
that are worse then what we have now, I cant think of many. Raising smaller only prices him in plus can get you in to trouble by making a bad fold later. Equity is good enough vs his calling range not to mention the times he folds. Just move in
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?

He's never folding OESFD
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