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Old 07-25-2007, 06:58 PM
Dave D Dave D is offline
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Default Re: Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

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pretty much always jam if he raises to 70k.

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Wait, we're always folding to a jam but always jamming to a raise? Isn't that a giant leak?

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Gap theory
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:21 PM
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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

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pretty much always jam if he raises to 70k.

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Wait, we're always folding to a jam but always jamming to a raise? Isn't that a giant leak?

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Old 07-25-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

Yuv,
The time he has a hand like Ah4h is just devastating for us and in no way can we call.
I'm much much much more inclined to call if our hand is AJhh and if we have a pair with our flush draw its as easy as possible
Definately jam over his raise to 70k.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

Also, another reason, we have 2 important cards.

He cannot have KThh KJhh KQhh JThh J9hh QJhh etc...

there are however, like a bajillion ways for him to have Axhh, and sets, and overpairs. It's just a fold.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

i bet pretty small in general, 25 is fine tho, my c-bets in tournaments are usually just barely bigger than my open.

its kind of great that he decidedto rando overbet shove ppl are so good
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:50 PM
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Default Re: Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

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Wait, we're always folding to a jam but always jamming to a raise? Isn't that a giant leak?

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A jam folds the nut flush draw and the nut flush draw + pair alot here.

The hands that call you are usually the ones you have the greatest equity against.

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Old 07-25-2007, 08:10 PM
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Wait, we're always folding to a jam but always jamming to a raise? Isn't that a giant leak?

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A jam folds the nut flush draw and the nut flush draw + pair alot here.

The hands that call you are usually the ones you have the greatest equity against.

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Nut flush draw isn't folding, that is for sure. But we have enough equity over the rest of his range, and the extra bit of folding equity makes it hot.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: Is this an instacall for you? (WSOP ME big draw)

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Yuv,
The time he has a hand like Ah4h is just devastating for us and in no way can we call.
I'm much much much more inclined to call if our hand is AJhh and if we have a pair with our flush draw its as easy as possible
Definately jam over his raise to 70k.

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lol
Are you also much more inclined to call if you have quads?
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:40 PM
Ignacio Munoz Ignacio Munoz is offline
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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

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pretty much always jam if he raises to 70k.

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Wait, we're always folding to a jam but always jamming to a raise? Isn't that a giant leak?

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Gap theory

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no

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Damn Ansky your holier-than-thou attitude is really sickening. Try to bring it down a notch for us average players, kthanks.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:46 PM
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What If he raises to 70k? Do you guys fold, shove, call? I had a lot of problem dealing with big draws deep stacked, when facing resistence. Online you just jam it cause you're always priced in. Here this wasn't the case.

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I think you always fold to a raise here.

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pretty much always jam if he raises to 70k.

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Wait, we're always folding to a jam but always jamming to a raise? Isn't that a giant leak?

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Gap theory

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no

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Damn Ansky your holier-than-thou attitude is really sickening. Try to bring it down a notch for us average players, kthanks.

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oh boo [censored] hoo
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