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Old 07-18-2007, 09:21 PM
Jasper109 Jasper109 is offline
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ? 44? no way

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On the Russian poker forum - Yang said he had JJ. For what it's worth.

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Doesn't matter. God would have made sure a J flopped.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

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Childs made the worst fold ever...cant wait to see the hand...hope he was on a draw

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No way is this the worst fold ever. I think Childs may have had Yang beat (I thought Yang probably had JJ) but I think Childs rightly thought he could find a better spot against Yang. Yang did a good job of putting Childs in a tough spot on this hand -- and even if the fold was wrong, it wasn't waaaaay wrong, as you suggest.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:20 PM
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i say when all's said and done, that fold will haunt childs for the rest of his life untill he sees the ESPN Broadcast

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Old 07-18-2007, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

Seriously? Find a better spot? Better than say 90% to win?

The Phil Hellmuth "OMG WE CANT GET IT AI WITH ONE PAIR POSTFLOP" line of thinking here is awful.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ? 44? no way

hmm, I thought 44 was suspect. linky to the posting?
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:29 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

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Childs made the worst fold ever...cant wait to see the hand...hope he was on a draw

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No way is this the worst fold ever. I think Childs may have had Yang beat (I thought Yang probably had JJ) but I think Childs rightly thought he could find a better spot against Yang. Yang did a good job of putting Childs in a tough spot on this hand -- and even if the fold was wrong, it wasn't waaaaay wrong, as you suggest.

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The problem is that Childs was largely put in a tough spot because of his flop lead.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:29 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

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"its just not that easy to pick up AA/KK"

actually at a nine handed table, one of your opponents will have AA or KK around 8% of the time. Not exactly like getting struck by lightning.

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Did you read the rest of my post where I said it's different if, say, Lee Watkinson raises your UTG raise than if the guy who played half of his hands in the first orbit raises you. Yes an aggressive player sometimes picks up AA or KK, but more often he has a worse hand.

The quick action by Yang indicates to me that he was plannign to go all-in the whole way. Could it be because he had AA? Yes, but that's a somewhat strange way of playing the hand, because you would like to at least create the impression of having a decision to make. On the other hand, if you think you are ordained by God to win the WSOP then you can go all-in and pray that your opponent folds or calls and you hit what you need on the turn and river (even if it is a runner-runner draw).

It is not a great spot for Childs, but bet/folding the flop was just an awful line. On that flop he has to just check/raise all-in and hope for the best. No doubt some of the time Yang will show up with AA or KK (or even a flopped set), but most of the time the queens will be ahead. Of course, Yang would have called his A3 or what have you and started praying to God for an ace or wheel.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

OOP it's probably better to push or fold QQ to the reraise.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

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For the record, I think he had AcKc.

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Old 07-19-2007, 01:21 AM
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Default Re: What did Yang have when Childs folded QQ?

I know it became apparent that Jerry was playing very aggressive as the tourney played out, but this spot seems pretty different from the aggression displayed elsewhere.

He is raising an under the gun raiser at a full table in the first hand with the entire table left to act. If that's not a strong hand, then he has balls of steel.

If he has anything other than AcKc, AA, KK , QQ or JJ, I'll be stunned.

My gut tells me JJ or AcKc, can't wait to find out.
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