Early Step 5 - do you call this

[whynot?]

so heres the deal

early in a pca step 5 - table had been very tight and i opened up to attempt to get some easy chips. villain in this hand is the only other winning table (in truth didnt scope xsteinx) and he has a 24% roi at the 55 levels looked like it was in the 45 man games

do you call this overbet?

OKERSTARS GAME #13377664667: TOURNAMENT #67852251, $670+$30 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL II (15/30) - 2007/11/21 - 12:09:26 (ET)
Table '67852251 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: tfree1959 (1870 in chips)
Seat 2: mikebtn (1530 in chips)
Seat 3: dgrimreaper (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: alliiiiissaa (1400 in chips)
Seat 5: Uniceja (1550 in chips)
Seat 6: jerzeeshore (1350 in chips)
Seat 7: whynot138 (1315 in chips)
Seat 8: ramsof21 (1395 in chips)
Seat 9: xthesteinx (1620 in chips)
tfree1959: posts small blind 15
mikebtn: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to whynot138 [Js Kd]
dgrimreaper: folds
alliiiiissaa: folds
Uniceja: folds
jerzeeshore: folds
whynot138: raises 60 to 90
ramsof21: folds
xthesteinx: folds
tfree1959: folds
mikebtn: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Jd Qd 6s]
mikebtn: checks
whynot138: checks
*** TURN *** [Jd Qd 6s] [2c]
mikebtn: checks
whynot138: bets 90
mikebtn: calls 90
*** RIVER *** [Jd Qd 6s 2c] [4h]
mikebtn: bets 600
Whynot?????

[eurythmech]

How is this ever a call?

[whynot?]

what can he have ?

would he play a set or two pair like this on this draw heavy board?

the most logical holdings for him are a missed draw/str8 or both.

the only hand i could put him on that really beat me is 44

pls advise other hands he plays like he did?

[eurythmech]

You're saying he bets 1.5 times pot with air or a missed draw?

[MATT238]

AA,QQ,JJ,66,44,22,QJ,Q6s,J6s,53dd,62dd,64dd......j ust off the top of my head.

Fold p/f. As played, insta-fold river.

[whynot?]

sorry

but this guys a winning player - theres no way he's checking two streets with aa, qq, jj, or any other hand that gives him 2 pair on the turn - way too many draws out there. i'll certainly give you 44 or a two pair diamond draw, but i think the missed draw is a big part of the range and folks bet them on the river very very often

[eurythmech]

This is a fold.

If you made a bad call and won, congrats.

[whynot?]

i didnt but was really more interested in what hands youd put this guy on when youve been active. i really think a missed flush/str8 is a large part of his range

[MattyMayor]

almost always, an overbet of on the river is mad strength.

i never call here.

haven't you ever bet a lot/been tempted to, when you turned or rivered trips or somethign better, hoping that a first or second level thinker would put you on air 'why would he bet so much with a made hand?" - and call with something weak.

it works sometimes, that's why you see it at the table sometimes - i really don't think this is a bluff.