100 NL, JJ re-raised pot, playing for stacks again.

[tarheeljks]

i don't see any reason to check for deception on the flop; pp's probably float

[crunny]

Yeah i dont get checking the flop. We bet and 55-TT will call lots, right?

[Johnes Benjamin]

I think Phresh's analysis is dead-on, or at least it is the particular way I think about the game.

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but I doubt he would have folded to a flop bet given he called pre-flop.

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That's what I said I dislike your flop bet, because a lot of PPs will call it. If you think he'd call with these hands, you need to bet the flop with them.

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This I disagree with. If he will call flop with 77, then you certainly need to bet. I disagree however, that a lot of people are continuing after sizeable bet on flop. What you said about it being a bad call pre is true, but your hand looks like an overpair and I think he is very much playing 77 for a set and will fold to a pot-sized bet almost always.

Either way, bet flop.
Too bad bastard got lucky

[Cry Me A River]

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Also, his pre-flop call is pretty bad IMO.

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One thing I've noticed about FTP at the $100NL (I've been playing there for the last week and a half as well, presumably for the same reason as you, ie: bonus) is that seemingly reasonable villains are much, much more likely to call 3-bets without good odds with random PP.

On Stars if villain open raises MP and I 3-bet behind him if he's reasonable/regular his calling range is basically JJ+/AK and often QQ+/AK. At FTP it's basically any PP villain would have open raised with. And I usually RR in that spot to $12 or $13 so they're getting even worse odds with me. But I've lost a couple stacks to flopped mid-pair sets that way. Very strange.

I've also noticed way, way less 4-betting at FTP. Not there's there's a lot of 4 betting at Stars unless it's 2+2 reg vs 2+2 reg, but at FTP I don't think I've ever seen a 4-bet that didn't come from a nut or a shortstack.

[Phresh]

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This I disagree with. If he will call flop with 77, then you certainly need to bet.

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I was advocating a flop bet the entire thread, when I accidentally said "This is why I dislike your flop bet", I meant, "This is why I dislike you checking the flop."

[CalledDownLight]

well...idk it seems like he can't have a ton of hands he's value shoving right? I mean, he can have 77, 44, or 22 and sometimes 1010. Also, obviously KK or AA are in his range (most of it if this is for value?). Seems to me that QQ is a little thin given how the game plays and how often people 3bet, but he might have that too. This looks like a hand I'd look him up with, but tough spot.

[Haplo]

Would anybody just call this preflop (assuming mp isn't a loose raiser)?

[Poker monkey]

Jacks are nowhere near strong enough to slowplay on the flop. Aces, maybe. But OP played this terribly.

[Phresh]

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Would anybody just call this preflop (assuming mp isn't a loose raiser)?

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Yes.