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Old 11-15-2007, 05:28 PM
StellarWind StellarWind is offline
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Default How hard did he hit? AQs

5-handed. Hero is Button with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Limp, limp, I raise, BB calls and the limpers call. Four to the flop for 8.5 SB.

Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and all call. Four to the turn for 6.25 BB.

Turn is Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Only Cutoff calls this time. Cutoff is 36/7 preflop, passive and really tight on the flop, then the surviving hands LAG it up somewhat on the big streets. HU to the river for 8.5 BB.

River is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Oops, I've been checkraised.

Now what?
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

A9 just seems so extremely likely given that line so I would 3-bet.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

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A9 just seems so extremely likely given that line so I would 3-bet.

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No way, I think this is a backdoor flush like >70 percent of the time.

In the middle of a match I three bet. When Im totally level headed I say call
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:42 PM
rzk rzk is offline
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

i'd say he mostly has A9, Acxc,Kc5c,99 (discounted of course). against this range your only option is to call, as you have less than 50% equity. of course he has some other random stuff in there, but i doubt it can swing it to a raise.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

if you can't fold to a 4 bet you probably should just call.

since he was getting like 12-1 on the flop he could have anything.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

its either 5 6 of clubs type of hand or A 9. hard say that A 9 doesnt put in a raise somewhere before this though, especially in a five handed game. i would just call and expect to see clubs more than two pair.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:16 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

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A9 just seems so extremely likely given that line so I would 3-bet.

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No way, I think this is a backdoor flush like >70 percent of the time.

In the middle of a match I three bet. When Im totally level headed I say call

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Mntbikr's intuition is right. AcXc is totally logical here. We are an underdog to have the best hand in this spot so even 3bet/folding, with the assumption that villian always caps river with better hand than AQ, is a losing play.

Call and expect to lose is the only play on the river.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

I count about 15-20 flush hands that can be discounted to varying degrees (conservative estimate would be 50% on average). Only 6 combos of A9. seems like an easy call.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:46 PM
whodaman whodaman is offline
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

you guys really are narrowing his range way way way too much
he could have made any 2 pair(with a 9 in it), a flush with a lot of different combos, even a set with 99. He is a loose player who was getting like 12-1, he could have near any 2 after the flop.

Saying this looks a lot like A9 is laughable.

with all that said, its probably just a call based on combos
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:54 PM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: How hard did he hit? AQs

getting 4 bet on this river would make me want to die. and really, if you get 4 bet, you are winning about 1% of the time.

very easy call without a specific read.
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