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10-12-2007, 08:02 AM
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Hustled in home game last night?
Now i'm not much of a live game player and am probably too trusting when it comes to poker games ran by people my age since in my experience for games run through friends of friends theres never been anything shady. Last night however I went to a friend of a friend of a friends game and it was shady as hell.
I'm wondering how common this is in home games and if anyone else has had something happen like this because it totally caught me off guard, wasn't expecting it. The game we went to first of all it had this option where anyone involved in any hand all in before the turn could buy insurance to try to cut their losses. Basically for anyone not familiar it's a hustle where for example if you are ahead and your opponent has 2 outs, you are a 22:1 favorite, and the house was offering insurance at 14:1 odds so if you did get 2 outted they paid you back 14x whatever insurance you bought (basically like a bet). And clearly if your 22:1 against it hitting and making a bet that only returns 14:1 on your money you're losing in EV. But even worse than this, they were raking pots sneakily with no structure or consistency at all. At first for a while I wasn't paying attention until I noticed $6 from my pot was raked and I said something about it. Now i'm damned sure home games should never be raking $6 out of pots when the most i've ever seen online was $5 and that was for high stakes and big pots. I thought by saying something about it, it would basically let him know that i'm aware of whats going on and it would stop. I should/could have just left but I thought these players were bad enough to stay and keep playing so long as I wasn't raked like that anymore. Was hard to keep track of all the raking because alot of the time when id check my cards or turn my head, when i'd look back over at the dealer he was already turning around putting the rake into the bin. But when I left, my friend and I did deduced that based on the fact only one person won money and it was $250, and there were alot more losers... we basically estimated that about $600 had been lifted off the table in this 7 hour game or so. Robbed? Hustled? Standard? 
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#2
10-12-2007, 08:16 AM
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Re: Hustled in home game last night?
Python, where was this game? It sounds like a local game I play in on occasion.
As far as insurance, never take it obv. Hopefully you can handle the swings if you're in the game - no reason to give away money to reduce variance.
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10-12-2007, 08:53 AM
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Re: Hustled in home game last night?
Sounds almost as bad as the game I once played in where you had to pay your blinds when you were sitting out...
This was a cash game btw. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] JT
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#5
10-12-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: Hustled in home game last night?
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Sounds almost as bad as the game I once played in where you had to pay your blinds when you were sitting out... This was a cash game btw. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] JT [/ QUOTE ] Oh, yeah forgot to mention that. That's how it was in this game too, pay blinds while they fold your cards. Didn't ask about rake structure because like I said i'm a live game newbie so online and in AC make up mostly all my experience and those already have fixed rake amounts. Home games with friends aren't raked so I kind of just assumed they had a structure they were using.
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#7
10-14-2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: Hustled in home game last night?
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Insurance- I would stay away from. Raked pots- I would ask what the structure is. Myself, I wouldn't go to the game. Home games don't get raked, underground cardrooms do get raked. [/ QUOTE ] And just why is this? If someone goes to the effort of organizing a game, and let's say they provide food and drinks, should they not be able to take a rake simply because they're not in some sort of store? If anything, you should be glad you're playing at a house instead. Also, what if there's a payout screwup (shouldn't happen but it does occasionally).. should the guy running the game just take the hit? This is another reason for rake. I would never run any game 1/2 NL or higher at my house and not take a rake. I would, of course, provide free food, alcohol and a dealer, though. Ryan
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#8
10-14-2007, 01:19 PM
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Re: Hustled in home game last night?
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[ QUOTE ] Insurance- I would stay away from. Raked pots- I would ask what the structure is. Myself, I wouldn't go to the game. Home games don't get raked, underground cardrooms do get raked. [/ QUOTE ] And just why is this? If someone goes to the effort of organizing a game, and let's say they provide food and drinks, should they not be able to take a rake simply because they're not in some sort of store? If anything, you should be glad you're playing at a house instead. Also, what if there's a payout screwup (shouldn't happen but it does occasionally).. should the guy running the game just take the hit? This is another reason for rake. I would never run any game 1/2 NL or higher at my house and not take a rake. I would, of course, provide free food, alcohol and a dealer, though. Ryan [/ QUOTE ] A home game should not be a profit driven operation (other than your trying to profit from winning). If instead of playing poker your friends were coming over to see a DVD of a movie would you charge them for profit making prices for popcorn and soda and a ticket? of course not. That doesn't mean you can't ask them to chip in for the expenses. But unless your rake ends as soon as you make your cost for alcohol and food then its like charging the7 for a bucket of popcorn. And as far as making money to pay for payout screwups, well that sort of assumes you often have screwups and they are always to the negative for the bank. If this is the case maybe its time for a new banker.
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#9
10-14-2007, 07:19 PM
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Re: Hustled in home game last night?
Who said the people coming to my "home game" were my "friends"?
If I make the effort to run a poker game and advertise it, I want to make money. I'm not going to run it for fun unless everyone there is a close friend, which isn't the case at all. I just don't see why people always think it's ok for "clubs" with a storefront to charge rake but not individuals running a game out of a house. Ryan
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