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Old 11-15-2007, 04:59 PM
GiantBuddha GiantBuddha is offline
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Default AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

Villain is loose and slightly aggressive. Is my best play here to try and get it in, or am I better off playing for implied odds, and do I have any? Is this like super obvious?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($30.90)
MP2 ($12.10)
MP3 ($77.30)
CO ($50)
Hero ($52.65)
SB ($49)
BB ($28.30)
UTG ($47.25)
UTG+1 ($32.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $5.75.

Flop: ($17.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:15 PM
Johnes Benjamin Johnes Benjamin is offline
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

I don't see any reason to assume you are getting big implied odds here. If your J or spade hit they are going to be really scary for all but a couple of perfect hands he could hold.
Also, you need to build the pot.

bet/call shove. shove turn if bet is just called
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

lol

um bet pls
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

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I agree. Bet $15 and call a shove.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

If this wasn't pot-limit, would straight shoving be better than potting it?
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

Yes shoving is better if you think it has more folding equity, the more 1 pair hands you get to fold the more + ev it is for you.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

+1 to everything Jones said. Also, straight shoving is better. You should be folding out AK/JJ/QQ (though QQ is less likely) and have 9 clean outs if he has TT/KK.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: AQo isolates and flops big draw; NL50

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bet/call shove. shove turn if bet is just called

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This is standard imo
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:25 AM
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I agree. Bet $15 and call a shove.

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In these situations I bet the same size as I would c-bet these types of flops even without the ace. $15 here seems about right.
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