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#22
07-26-2007, 10:55 PM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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Oh, I totally missed he was c-betting into two from MP. Pretty much TT is your only hope here. [/ QUOTE ] This is really player-dependent. I see plenty of solid regulars who have a leak of c-betting at really inappropriate times. I still say if its a call preflop, it has to be a call on the flop because the value of your hand has changed very little. If you trust him not to be two-barrel bluffing with AK, the rest pretty much plays itself. 
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#23
07-26-2007, 11:14 PM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
MP2 (t1340)
MP3 (t1580) CO (t1470) Hero (t1470) SB (t1670) BB (t1530) UTG (t1500) UTG+1 (t1500) MP1 (t1440) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls t20, UTG+1 raises to t80, 4 folds, Hero calls t80, 2 folds, UTG calls t60. Flop: (t270) 7, J, 9 (3 players) UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t200, Hero folds, Ok, I understand not cbetting into 2 players... but in this situation... utg limps, has a chance to rr pre, and just calls. J high flop and checks - shows no strength. You just call behind, which is really rare for QQ. - shows 0 strength; better yet if he knew that you will fold QQ here. I think this is one of the times he has to cbet with whatever he raised with. If you are calling pre, I think you have to call that flop bet in position.
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#24
07-27-2007, 01:37 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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[ QUOTE ] Oh, I totally missed he was c-betting into two from MP. Pretty much TT is your only hope here. [/ QUOTE ] This is really player-dependent. I see plenty of solid regulars who have a leak of c-betting at really inappropriate times. I still say if its a call preflop, it has to be a call on the flop because the value of your hand has changed very little. If you trust him not to be two-barrel bluffing with AK, the rest pretty much plays itself. [/ QUOTE ] xyz is pretty tight. I didn't miss that part.
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#25
07-27-2007, 01:50 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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Folding preflop here is fine. Calling for set value here is awful if xyz is any good as he should be able to fold OPs pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] ?????????
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#26
07-27-2007, 02:23 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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[ QUOTE ] Folding preflop here is fine. Calling for set value here is awful if xyz is any good as he should be able to fold OPs pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] This is just ridicolous. If you just call for set value and you hit a set of Q is way more disguisable then a set of mid cards. [/ QUOTE ] Okay. Let's say the J is a Q. How do you play the hand? He bets out 200. I think Pudge is saying that he's not going to put any more money in against you if you give him action, so you are never going to make your implied odds. [ QUOTE ] Chances he holds AK + set value give hero all the implied odds to make the 80 chips call. [/ QUOTE ] You only have implied odds if you can make him pay. How are you going to do it?
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#27
07-27-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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Folding preflop here is fine. Calling for set value here is awful if xyz is any good as he should be able to fold OPs pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] Let's say we call on the flop. Are you suggesting he won't put any more money in on the turn? Or that he will never put *enough* money in to give us our implied odds? Will he only not put more money in against us because he knows we're tight, or not against anyone?
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#28
07-27-2007, 03:31 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Folding preflop here is fine. Calling for set value here is awful if xyz is any good as he should be able to fold OPs pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] This is just ridicolous. If you just call for set value and you hit a set of Q is way more disguisable then a set of mid cards. [/ QUOTE ] Okay. Let's say the J is a Q. How do you play the hand? He bets out 200. I think Pudge is saying that he's not going to put any more money in against you if you give him action, so you are never going to make your implied odds. [ QUOTE ] Chances he holds AK + set value give hero all the implied odds to make the 80 chips call. [/ QUOTE ] You only have implied odds if you can make him pay. How are you going to do it? [/ QUOTE ] I would call, if he holds AA or KK and we both check turn I doubt he will not value betting or just check call the river.
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#29
07-27-2007, 04:39 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
If your read is JJ, AK+, and you know he wont continuation bet AK, then obviously lay this down.
And you are right, most people wont contiunation bet 200 into this flop.
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#30
07-27-2007, 04:44 AM
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Re: ($114) Fold QQ to one flop bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Folding preflop here is fine. Calling for set value here is awful if xyz is any good as he should be able to fold OPs pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] This is just ridicolous. If you just call for set value and you hit a set of Q is way more disguisable then a set of mid cards. [/ QUOTE ] Okay. Let's say the J is a Q. How do you play the hand? He bets out 200. I think Pudge is saying that he's not going to put any more money in against you if you give him action, so you are never going to make your implied odds. [ QUOTE ] Chances he holds AK + set value give hero all the implied odds to make the 80 chips call. [/ QUOTE ] You only have implied odds if you can make him pay. How are you going to do it? [/ QUOTE ] I would call, if he holds AA or KK and we both check turn I doubt he will not value betting or just check call the river. [/ QUOTE ] He will value bet 400+? He will check call that?
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