50-100 river...

joker122 · #1 11-09-2007, 04:51 PM

so you're checkraising KQ/QJ/AQ?

i would be bet/calling those hands.

gehrig · #2 11-09-2007, 04:52 PM

probably not, i'm not sure where u got that idea from my post?

joker122 · #3 11-09-2007, 04:56 PM

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probably not, i'm not sure where u got that idea from my post?

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i was replying to geormit.

gehrig · #4 11-09-2007, 04:56 PM

oh

joker122 · #5 11-09-2007, 07:11 PM

there are 18 combos* of KQ/AQ and 16 of KJ.

so 53% of the time we get an extra bet and a 47% of the time we lose an extra bet.

BUT he could fold to the raise...and we sometimes call the 3bet. in a situation where your equity is very slim (here, 53%) these 2 factors are actually pretty huge - especially since he should probably fold KQ to a raise alot of the time.

so this actually does swing it into a call i think.

*I didn't discount AQ because i personally would make it to the river here with AQ in a steal/defense situation and also because i completely took QJ out of his range to compensate a little.

Tryptamean · #6 11-09-2007, 07:16 PM

I dont understand why everyone wants to assume he will make a move with QJ so often. Given Hero's cap preflop, it seems reasonable that Villian wants to draw cheap and gives himself very little fold equity...

geormiet · #7 11-09-2007, 07:41 PM

I think we should assume that a fair amount of the time he will make a move with QJ, and factor it into his range caclulation at the river.

Wouldn't you agree that players will play QJ agro on this board vs. a capper some of the time? I think it's correct to do so persnally.

geormiet · #8 11-09-2007, 05:45 PM

AQ i usually wouldn't have gotten to the river against ggbman, KQ i think might actually just check call (you're right i could be bet calling there though) and QJ i'd probably have made a play at the hand on the flop or turn.