Turncheck OSED in position

[timoK]

Stars 2-4 6 max
Hero is BU [J6s]
Folded to Hero. Hero bets,
One of the Blinds calls.

Flop is 345 rainbow

Hero bets, Villain calls

Turn is a blank

The blind checks, Hero ???

ok, we dont have any showdown value.
Do you check behind and fold river UI against an unknown?

if villain is SB and folds to steal like 80% we just have about 30% equity (depends on the blank or if the board pairs)
if villain is BB and folds to steal about 55% we have also have about 30% equity (depends on the blank or if the board pairs)

[nickg1532]

i usually bet this again

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if villain is SB and folds to steal like 80% we just have about 30% equity (depends on the blank or if the board pairs)

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Yeah. But he will have a hard time calling with his unimproved overcards. Depending on the exact turn of course.


Villain will be peeling a lot on that flop so your FE is pretty good on the turn. On top of that you have 14 cards to improve so a bet makes a lot of sense here.

[sharpie]

I'd look at his stats to see how often he folds each street, but as a default I'd fire the turn.

[timoK]

if hero steals 35% and BB folds 55% to steals the equity on the flop is 50/50

if the turn pairs the board the equity dont change much.
any other turn cards also wont change the quity by more then +-2%


my first impression was: "dude, thats the easiest bet ever!"

however at stars lower limits I dont think the foldequity on a ragged board is not that high and a lot of people will just c/r their overcards and bet any river. because people do this with Ax, pp any piece of the board and just air you cant really adapt.

(assuming villain bets any river if you check behind)
I think you dont loose much value if you check behind and call the river if you hit a pair and raise if the straight gets their.

but this might safe you much trouble and dont get in you many c/r situations
(also you might pull this line if you flop a small pp or a low pair or mid pair weak kicker.


impressions?

[zinna]

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if hero steals 35% and BB folds 55% to steals the equity on the flop is 50/50 Then hero is really tight and should open up alot on the stealing

if the turn pairs the board the equity dont change much.
any other turn cards also wont change the quity by more then +-2%


my first impression was: "dude, thats the easiest bet ever!"

however at stars lower limits I dont think the foldequity on a ragged board is not that high and a lot of people will just c/r their overcards and bet any river. because people do this with Ax, pp any piece of the board and just air you cant really adapt. I dont have that many hands on stars 2/4 but I have over 40K hands on 3/6 and im pretty sure that its in no way the standard play for the villain to c/r KQ in this spot. I think its a big overstatement to say that alot of players will c/r with air here the most players c/r the flop with air if they are going to c/r any street with air

(assuming villain bets any river if you check behind)
I think you dont loose much value if you check behind and call the river if you hit a pair and raise if the straight gets their. I dont think we can assume that without any reads...

but this might safe you much trouble and dont get in you many c/r situations
(also you might pull this line if you flop a small pp or a low pair or mid pair weak kicker. Not betting the turn is horrible with any pair since Ahigh is calling down every time, I bet everything in my range with showdownvalue and all draws


impressions?

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[timoK]

ok, so everybody fires the turn (as I would have done by intuition)

so the river is:
a) another blank
b) a high card

you hold J high - do you fire aother time against our old school 2+2 villain?

[timoK]

bump - more thoughts ?

[yourface]

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if villain is SB and folds to steal like 80% we just have about 30% equity (depends on the blank or if the board pairs)

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Yeah. But he will have a hard time calling with his unimproved overcards. Depending on the exact turn of course.


Villain will be peeling a lot on that flop so your FE is pretty good on the turn. On top of that you have 14 cards to improve so a bet makes a lot of sense here.

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yup

[Apanage]

Not to be harsh.But if we don´t bet the turn with an OESD and no showdown value we´d better not raise to begin with.
I bet any broadway on river and maybe more cards depending on my opponents tendencies