55 facing PF 3-bet and flop 3-bet

[timoK]

2-4 6max
villain is like 32/19 over a huge sample size. no stats on BB but seems fishy

UTG folds
Hero [55] bets
CO folds
BU 3-bets
SB folds
BB calls
Hero calls

Flop [J77] rainbow
BB checks
Hero checks
BU bets
BB folds
Hero raises
BU 3-bets
Hero ???

1) is the c/r ok?

2) BB steems to be a fish and cold calls the 3-bet preflop. What about bet/call to knock the fish out?

3) Is villain capable to 3-bet AK or AQ to go for the free card?

[carlk73]

Why not open raise? Calling looks a little weak.

[TheWunderkind]

1. no because of sb(?),,i think calling a donking a non scary Turn is nice

2. no because fish will call 2 cold very often and no guerantee Btn raises + when youre usally beat

3.) how should we know? You should

folding the Flop is also an option(-:

[timoK]

"Why not open raise? Calling looks a little weak." ???
I dont get this. I raised preflop and check-raised the flop.

with just an underpair (and an unscary flop) I wouldnt have check/raised if BB had called.

ok, so these were my options:
a) c/r
b) c/c flop, donk turn

I go with option a and got 3-bet by a rather lagish villain. do I just fold now or do I put in another bet to draw to my 2 outs?
(I guess capping and betout turn might also be possible to mix up but I am like 2:1 underdog)

[TheWunderkind]

how can you be a 2:1 underdog? he doesnt 3 bet AQ AK etc if hes a little bit good. If he 3bets i fold...you might have good implied odds but youve also got them reverse...

[yourface]

I generally just call down in these spots until I can't beat AK.

we are usually drawing to 2 outs when villain 3bets the flop but some villain's always assume you are messing with them on these boards and will play back at you, so you could make a very expensive mistake by folding.

the pot is big and we beat AQ-AK which is a sizable part of villain's range, so I just want to get to sd cheap.

folding the flop is not an option.

[carlk73]

Apologies timoK - misread hand!

[timoK]

TheWunderkind:
by "he doesnt 3 bet AQ AK etc if hes a little bit good" you mean on the flop, right?

so I see people tend to just call down 55 from the flop if it's HU until I cant beat AK

[TheWunderkind]

yeah i mean the Flop

[timoK]

ok,
I drop my pants:
in the Hand I am villain with QQ.
Hero c/r with 55 and called my 3-bet. the turn the third 5. I got fu**ed up big time.


but think about this:
you hold 55 a rather aggressiv-tricky villain 3-betted your c/r HU. You call.
the turn is a non-scary blank. you check and villain checks behind (and he knows that you are a TAGish regular).
do you bet (bet/fold) any river. what's in your head after the check behind?