JJ out of position

[jakeduke]

i'd 3bet pf for sure. given that you didn't, you could either c/r the flop (he won't believe you often), 3bet the flop (probably gets a lot of folds but he could think you're FOS still and shove) or crai the turn. i'd consider calling the river honestly, given the super weird way you played the hand.

why don't you want to play for stacks here? given how you got to the flop, basically any line you take that involves a lot of betting/raising is going to look FOS - there's a decent chance villain picks up on that and just shoves over you. this is obv a great result for you.

[Johnny McEldoo]

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why don't you want to play for stacks here?

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My biggest problem learning NL is with QQ and JJ I think.
It feels like the likelyhood of running into AA, KK, QQ, or somehow him having an 8 (9-8, 10-8) is likely enough to just be committed completely preflop or just as an overpair.

Should I be commited and try to get all the money with a flop like this? I appreciate the help and not disagreeing with you, I'm just still a little confused...

if I am able get it all in on the flop isn't this a situation where he folds the hands I beat (AK AQ, etc..) and only sticks around when I'm dominated? So I win small pots and lose big ones?

[markuisis]

Id 3bet pf like every1 said and I usually don't donk so whether or not to c/c or c/r this flop is completely player dependant, if u think he is gonna perceive it as a play or overvalues tp or any overpair - c/raising is the way to go. If u think c/raising turns ur hand into a bluff since he wont stack off with worse then c/c. The problem with ur line is that 3betting this flop and calling a shove is rarely gonna be in ur best interest IMO, whereas flatting the flop raise puts u in a marginal situation for the rest of the hand (conclusion is I wouldnt donk). As played and with no specific reads except that hes solid id lean towards calling but its very marginal, mostly cause of the blank turn and yet a bet.

edit: I'd prob get it in on the turn if I took ur flop line btw (different than getting it in on the flop because u get more money if hes bluffing and make him more commited with a pair of 8s, 99 ot TT).

[TheWorstPlayer]

reraise preflop, reraise flop, bet the turn, check/raise the turn, pretty much getting more money in anywhere here would be a good idea.

[Aces0Kingz]

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reraise preflop, reraise flop, bet the turn, check/raise the turn, pretty much getting more money in anywhere here would be a good idea.

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Agreed....

[Suigin406]

i 3bet PF with his stats, as played, u had to raise somewhere here, preferably flop imo

[monkover]

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reraise preflop, reraise flop, bet the turn, check/raise the turn, pretty much getting more money in anywhere here would be a good idea.

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[angry hobo]

you need to rr pf with JJ, you need to punish people for calling your 3 bet pf with one over or crap. hand is way too hard to play for 1 raise. SPR's make it much more difficult. the pot needs to be big enough on the flop to raise ai, or 3bet ai