NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players

[WantToLearn]

Ok, some advice on flop play needed!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($9.35)
MP2 ($8.45)
CO ($7.40)
Hero ($14.20)
SB ($1.85)
BB ($1.85)
UTG ($19.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.40, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, (...)

Ok, by now I think I rather should have called.
I tried win the pot right now, but forgot about who I am up against.

Both villains are really loose. They avoid the worst preflop trash, but they don´t know about relative hand values. They don´t misplay their hands purposely but they can´t lay down anything half-decent. So a straight, even the stupid end, may win a lot against, say, two-pair.

However, the straight cards are no clean outs against four cards out there that may be a K.

Anyway, may hand is pretty good, and it doesn´t feel good to have such a draw and wait silently for the cards to come... but w/o good fold equity, it´s the right way to play it, I assume?

[ship_it_trebek]

If you have that read on your opponent, I'd just call here. Hes giving you plenty odds to draw and you know you are most likely getting paid if a nice straight card heart comes out if he has any part of a straight. If this opponent is as stupid as you imply, then you won't lose action when a heart hits either.

[ElectricWaffles]

Personally I think the flop is a call. If your reads are good then I think you have the implied odds.

I dont really like the raise. If they're loose and dont know when to fold, you've not got any fold equity, which I think eliminates any reason to raise, apart from maybe disguising your hand which I dont think is important.

I think also you need to be very cautious about the ten coming out, you did point that out already though. Having the dumb end of a str8 when the board is 4-cards to a str8 really sucks, especially when the top card is a king =)

[toymach776]

If you were headsup vs MP1 in position here, I would like the raise because his cbet looks weak and I will often raise it even without the draw. You have a player yet to act here and if he is loose he may stay in however. Your draw is not that strong and I would only really count the flush outs as clean. Even those arent to the nuts obv. Villain is making it cheap to draw. I would just call here.

[ActionStan]

People like to play A's and K's. Against loose players I'd discount my straight outs entirely. With the non-nut FD against these two, I'd prefer a call.

I would generally raise pre-flop on the button with that hand. It doesn't make enough strong hands in it's own right not to steal.

[WantToLearn]

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I would generally raise pre-flop on the button with that hand. It doesn't make enough strong hands in it's own right not to steal.

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I din´t limp, I cold-called. You think it´s a fold even against players likely to get stacked should I make something big? Or do you 3-bet??

[wikemang]

Just call on the flop. Your draw really isn't that great, it's basically a bare FD.