25nl: QQ facing aggro reraisers preflop

dukemagic · #1 05-10-2007, 01:55 AM

I wasn't really sure what to do here. Villain 1 (Initial re-raiser) was 46/28 and Villain 2 (4-better) was 30/20 and seemed decent, so I thought perhaps Villain 2 was trying to isolate Villain 1 with a strong but not great hand. Thoughts?

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SB ($23.75)
BB ($25.15)
Hero ($23.40)
MP ($24.25)
CO: Villain 1 ($15.25)
Button: Villain 2 ($28.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Villain 1 raises to $15.25, Villain 2 raises to $28.45, 2 folds, Hero ?????????

Abelardo · #2 05-10-2007, 02:08 AM

Has Villain 1 done this before? Anyways I think I go all-in, Villain 2 might do this with a bunch of hands 99+ AQ+ thinking V1 is screwing around.

dukemagic · #3 05-10-2007, 02:10 AM

Villain 1 has done occasionally done random stuff, but it's certainly not every hand.

EDonk · #4 05-10-2007, 02:22 AM

Saying that they are active is one thing but have you seen them PUSHING preflop? Presumably, if villain 2 is smart he may be trying to isolate v1, but I think his range even for isolation is pretty even equity wise with yours. It's gotta be something like AKs+, QQ+ I would think. Now, if you have more information about what they are pushing preflop with (or how often V1 or V2 has puhsed preflop) that might help.

Spanky1974 · #5 05-10-2007, 04:26 AM

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.220% 22.26% 01.96% 1123961808 99106900.00 { 99+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 52.366% 48.86% 03.50% 2467558644 176847988.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 2: 23.414% 21.41% 02.00% 1081296312 101086084.00 { QQ }

AggJedi · #6 05-10-2007, 04:36 AM

I think you have to fold this preflop here, if villian 2 didn't call than you would have had an easy 15 dollars shipped your way. But unfortunatly your hand really won't do too well against villian 2's range.

aces_dad · #7 05-10-2007, 05:05 AM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.220% 22.26% 01.96% 1123961808 99106900.00 { 99+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 52.366% 48.86% 03.50% 2467558644 176847988.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 2: 23.414% 21.41% 02.00% 1081296312 101086084.00 { QQ }

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Those ranges are too tight for both players IMO. Villian2 will smooth call AA/KK a lot here in a protected pot and will have AK/AQ 99+ here a lot, I think this is a call.

dukemagic · #8 05-10-2007, 05:06 AM

Okay, yeah I was really borderline on my decision. I ultimately went with my gut feeling that Villain 2 was trying to isolate with JJ or AK/AQ and called.

Villain 1 had AK, Villain 2 had AA, and I actually hit quad Qs to win the hand (Villain 1 hit a straight, lol).

Thanks guys.

dukemagic · #9 05-10-2007, 05:09 AM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.220% 22.26% 01.96% 1123961808 99106900.00 { 99+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 52.366% 48.86% 03.50% 2467558644 176847988.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 2: 23.414% 21.41% 02.00% 1081296312 101086084.00 { QQ }

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Those ranges are too tight for both players IMO. Villian2 will smooth call AA/KK a lot here in a protected pot and will have AK/AQ 99+ here a lot, I think this is a call.

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Yeah, this is what I thought too. I still think it's close, but I might lean towards folding next time. I'm not sure. I really thought Villain 2 could have a pretty wide range.

aces_dad · #10 05-10-2007, 05:12 AM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.220% 22.26% 01.96% 1123961808 99106900.00 { 99+, AQs+, AKo }
Hand 1: 52.366% 48.86% 03.50% 2467558644 176847988.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 2: 23.414% 21.41% 02.00% 1081296312 101086084.00 { QQ }

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Those ranges are too tight for both players IMO. Villian2 will smooth call AA/KK a lot here in a protected pot and will have AK/AQ 99+ here a lot, I think this is a call.

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Yeah, this is what I thought too. I still think it's close, but I might lean towards folding next time. I'm not sure. I really thought Villain 2 could have a pretty wide range.

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If villian1 was better/tighter villain2 range would be tighter and a fold more reasonable but a 30/20 will have a larger range vs such a loose opener.